Monday, February 26, 2007

A Flock Of Doves

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I recently got into a brief discussion -- until I became bored by the sheer stupidity of the participants -- at a liberal blog regarding Iran. The topic was essentially that Bush is lying about Iran's nuclear ambition and that even if hes not, well then its his fault anyways. I tried to rationally point out that if you were to take President George W Bush out of the equation and just look at the words and actions of Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad there can be no question that Iran is seeking nukes, have been for decades, and odds are that their intentions are not peaceful.

Figuring that any reasonable person could see this and the fact that the world consensus (global warming consensus good, Iran nuke consensus bad?...silly liberals) is in agreement that Iran is for a fact in violation of the unanimously passed UN Resolution 1737. I was absolutely flabbergasted by the response.

I wasn't as offended being called a "brainless blogger Nietzsche loving German speaking Jackass and ignorant inflammatory troll" as I was to hear an actual if questionable American citizen take it upon themselves to be defenders of Iran.

You know, the same Iran that has kidnapped and killed Americans and that helped create and now openly supports Hezbollah. You know, the same Hezbollah that has killed thousands of Americans and our allies. Real good guys.

Like I said, flabbergasted how an American could come to such a treacherous position....then I got to remembering an old Charlie Rose interview where his guest had the following to say.

“Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own.” -- Bill Clinton

...but there's more. Clinton then went on to admit that he performed a Monica on Iran;

“I formally apologized on behalf of the United States for American crimes against Iran.” -- Bill Clinton

Unbelievable. Some balls this frickin' guy has.... "American crimes against Iran"? Maybe he was busy backpacking around Moscow when they were parading our people blindfolded tortured and humiliated through the streets of Tehran.

Then I got to remembering some more about a little known covert op known as Operation Merlin in which Clinton jackassininely authorized the CIA to give Iran advanced nuclear schematics but with technical errors to fool them. Only problem was that the Russian scientist/agent the Company used to pass on the secrets corrected them. Oops!

So by my scorecard under Clinton we funded North Korea's nuclear program, backed Islamofascists in Bosnia, modernized China's military, and gave nuke blueprints to the Islamic Republic of Iran henceforth to be known as the Clinton summer home.


So you can make the argument that Bush is making mistakes in the War on Terror, but at least he isnt handing the enemy a barstool to crack us over the head with.

However, this isn't about bashing Clinton as every President before him going back fifty years has blood on the Persian rugs in their office, but Ill leave the Iran-Contra posts to the libs.

This is about understanding that we are at war with Islamic extremists, they started it -- whether they be Arab Persian or Asian, Sunni or Shia (they may hate each other, but they all hate us) -- and that the rules of war have changed as we know for certain that they sure the hell aint following the Geneva Convention.


Yes Iran were one-time allies, as was Iraq. Whats the point? Lets not forget that we fought two wars against England one against Japan and they are now two of our closest allies, and we reserve the right to fuck the Brits up again if they step out of line. That's how the world works. As noted limey Henry Temple once stated...

"We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are perpetual and eternal and those interests it is our duty to follow"

Well Id have to say that our interests at this point are pretty frickin' vested in not being attacked by terrorists and especially not allowing them access to nuclear weaponry -- and if that means catching a ride with a devil of yesterday to dance with the devil today, then so be it. Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. If I had my druthers India would border Iraq Iran and Afghanistan and ugly women in this country would wear burqas.

That being said I do not support a pre-emptive strike against Iran at this time. Under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, signatory Iran has the right to seek a peaceful nuclear energy source if they adhere to strict International Atomic Energy Agency inspections, which to date they have not, and they must be held accountable on that....Hold on. Allow me to go off on a quick rant.

...Why the hell are liberals so adamant about the need for an oil rich Iran to use nuclear energy yet they picket with placards against its use in their very own country all the while crying foul for the need for alt fuels. Makes no sense to me, and in my opinion typifies the hypocritical "not in my backyard" limousine liberalism that discredits most Hallmark ideologues on the left.

As I was saying... I feel an attack on Iran at this juncture would be unwise, not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent -- but that's not to say I don't fear that it will become necessary to lay rubble to the whole god forsaken region down the road if need be to protect American interests.


My reasons are numerous but I have no intention to discuss them at this time, as I have already rambled on far too long and they are too intricately articulate and well thought out to fall into the hands of any lurking liberals that may come across my blog. But I'm not really worried as they wouldn't fit onto a poster board anyways, but better to be safe than sorry.

Better to be safe than sorry? Hmmm. That sounds like a pretty good albeit over-simplifed argument for attacking Iran -- maybe I will reevaluate my position.

EE-Aw!

18 comments:

Rhino-itall said...

maybe you should re evaluate your position. and you should also consider the fact that the sunni and the shia aren't fighting each other anywhere in the world except in Iraq. So they may hate each other but they can, do, and have lived side by side.

Anonymous said...

...and?

I didnt say otherwise. My point was that despite their differences they are united in their hatred for us. I wasnt insinuating that they are brawling in the streets of Dublin.

Fuck this shit.

The world wants Iran to halt their nuclear program yet unwilling to do a damn thing about it and expect us to continue do their dirty work for them.

I say fuck them all, until we have absolutely irrefutable proof that they are developing a bomb...we do nothing militarily. We allow the impotent UN to continue their spineless charade.

If its found that they are developing nuclear weaponry...well then on my command release HELL!

gary said...

As for crimes against Iran, the US certainly did overthrow a moderate, democratically elected government, in favor of a ruthless dictator. Operation Ajax, if you want to look it up.

I agree that an attack on Iran would not be prudent.

There is no actual evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. Grounds for suspicsion, yes, but not actual evidence.

Anonymous said...

I dont have a problem with the Brit led Operation Ajax. No more than I would have a problem kicking the shit out of a close friend that I put through trade school who I caught stealing from me.

Rhino, wasnt the last book of the Asia Saga about that time period in Iran?

Rhino-itall said...

Gary, you are a fountain of misinformation.

Mossadegh was never elected by the Iranian people. He was appointed by the Majlis, the Iranian parliament, and the Shah of Iran, who was already in power, ratified the choice.

After some time he got a little uppity and tried to challenge the shah. We backed the shah and took care of business because it was in our best interests at the time. Either way it was not a crime.

Do some homework.

gary said...

I suppose it's all ancient history to Americans but the Iranians remember. We not only overthrew Mossadegh (and yes, he was appointed Prime Minister)but supported and trained the Shah's secret police for decades. These events led to the Ayatollahs and the taking of the hostages.

Rhino-itall said...

Gary you're always so quick to condemn your own country.

Our interests at the time were not Iran, but the USSR. we were in the midst of a cold war and it was better for us if the brits controlled Iran so we helped them. Just like it was better for the russians to control cuba so they helped castro.

Mossadegh was a socialist who nationalized the oil industry (like chavez) in order to control the country and consolidate his own power. Our choices were

1. help the brits and their dictator (shah)

2. do nothing and see the commies take control

3. fight everyone and install our own government.

i think we did the right thing.

gary said...

Regardless of whether it was the right thing we are still living with the consequences today.

Anonymous said...

Regardless nothing, the right thing to do is always the right thing to do.

"There are risks and costs to a program of action. But they are far less than the long-range risks and costs of comfortable inaction"
--JFK

gary said...

I'm not conceding that it was the right thing to do. If they wanted to nationalize their oil, well, it was their oil.

And Rhino, why when I criticize a foreign policy decision am I condemning my country, but when you do you're not?

Anonymous said...

Yes it was their "oil" but the infrastructure was not, which without the western where-with-all and investment theyd still be driving around their useless sandpit on fucking camels instead of Mercedes.

Rhino-itall said...

Gary you're not criticizing foreign policy, you're accusing your country of committing crimes. Every country acts in their own interests. what we did was support a regime that was an ally. how is that a crime?

gary said...

It some other country did to America what we did to Iran, you would say it was a crime.

Miss Carnivorous said...

The Shah's secret police were killing and torturing commies and religious fascists, big effing deal! Just joshin' of course. The fact is that the Shah's daddy was a modernist. Iran could have been like Turkey, modernizing, semi free and getting ready to enter the European union if the Islamic idiots had not taken over and driven the country into hell. Iran is a beautiful, beautiful country of color and light and they force their women to dress like crows. They supress their artists, like the carpet makers. I wouldn't care if we go in and stomp the shit out of them and make them behave, the problem is, I don't think it will work out because at least 2/3 of the population are idiots, just like here in the US. We as conservatives must give up the idea of a perfect world. It is never going to happen.

Anonymous said...

Actually Gary other countries did try and do what we did in Iran on more than one occasion....we were just too badass for it to work.

If you dont know what Im referring to, then Ill be more than happy to give you a history lesson.

gary said...

Our military is stretched to the breaking point, "the wheels are coming off" as one military man said. We are engaged in two wars, with another one possibly on the way. Basic rights has been abandoned and our government is torturing people in secret prisons. This is not America.Criticising this is not un-American.

anita said...

totally unrelated, but i heard (or re-heard) a good quote today ... thought you 'boys' would recognize and, of course, appreciate it:

“Politics is just high school with guns and more money” - Frank Zappa

anita said...

ooops, and sorry miss C., you "boys and girl" ...

:)