New York City never ceases to surprise me. Who would have thunk there were so many good ol' boys and cowgals (well, besides the bartenders at Red Rock West) in the area. Well it seems enough to sell out Madison Square Garden when the Professional Bull Riders came to town this weekend. A great time was had by all and for the price of admission, not only did I walk away with a new buckle but a renewed faith in my fellow New Yorkers and fellow countrymen but also a sense that patriotism is alive and well in the Big Apple.
The Rhino recently made a comment questioning Bob Dylans popularity and made the claim that if he started out today he'd just be the Dixie Chicks as opposed to the cultural icon he has become. Well Ive never been to a Dixie Chicks concert but I think that I just witnessed the polar opposite...and I loved every frickin second of it. Fireworks, patriotic imagery, loud head banging music, Jack Daniels, and good ol' fashioned hard fought competition --- whats not to love.
The event was started off with of all things the Lord's Prayer . Its the first time I think Ive ever witnessed that at a professional sporting event and it was amazingly uplifting. It was then followed by a fifteen thousand strong karoake version of our National Anthem led by country music sensation Clay Walker? members of our Armed Forces and former Mayor Rudy Guiliani.
I cant recall ever even watching bull riding on television before, but I immediately knew that I was going to like it. I was not disappointed. As my sense of humor borders on the side of schadenfreude being a big fan of Jackass style slapstick comedy, I surprisingly actually found myself rooting for the cowboys and was impressed by their athleticism, afterall even though I am now a former Knicks fan (as long as Isiah and the Dolans are involved) how could I possibly root for the bulls.
This is exactly the sort of pomp and circumstance that drives some* liberals crazy. You know --- with the giant American flag, the praying for victory in Iraq, thanking our troops, fireworks lighting USA in flames on the ground. To some liberals these are the superfluous acts and symbolism of the brainwashed. To me its the embodiment of patriotism.I was recently taken to task for questioning the patriotism of some of our liberal readers. Not unlike the constitution, I dont think they know what it truly means. Opposing the war does not make one unpatriotic, just a political opportunistic hypocritical fraud. However actually rooting for defeat is not only unpatriotic, its downright traitorous. Its that simple. Now they can sugarcoat it all they want, change the words and meanings as is the liberal want and replace defeat with withdrawal or redeployment, but we are in a war, and right or wrong --- wanting us to surrender and retreat is the same as rooting for defeat. Benedict Arnold thought war with Great Britain was illegal unjust and a quagmire as well --- just saying.
In simpler terms Toby Keith singing Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue is patriotic, the Dixie Chicks saying they are ashamed of their president is not. Both are exercising their right as Americans to voice their opinion and are free and fine to do so, but only one is expressing themselves in a positive regard towards their country --- get it?
Now that weve established that most liberals are unpatriotic I would like to address another unnecessarily partisan issue --- illegal immigration. I hate to generalize, but I will. If I had to guess I would say most in attendance at Saturdays bull riding contest leaned right and if that is true and the poll numbers hold up, then most would also be in favor of stopping illegal immigration. In other words they are all xenophopic racist rednecks as the liberal argument would have you believe.
The only problem is thats a vitriolic oversimplification of a nationwide problem affecting us all and categorically untrue. A good percentage of the cowboys were not the typical midwestern good ol' boys but rather gauchos from south of the border, primarily from Mexico and Brazil and I didnt hear any boos or jeers(well except when Julio the Roper continually missed lassoing renegade bulls, but thats New York for ya) in fact some of the loudest cheers were for three time PBR World Champion Adriano Moraes of Brazil as witnessed in the video I shot below. It must really piss off liberals when their stereotypes of Republicans are thrown back in their face --- and one last thing, anti-war liberals are unpatriotic traitors.
EE-Aw!!!
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Sorry. You lost me at "new buckle". The close-up of The Package, up top will suffice as a new header.
Voting begins now:
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{My Bio-Dad ropes (Header). His horse is named Yo-Yo. Can go forward and backwards on voice commands. Sweet ride. Litterally.}
do you smell that?
Like the Dixie Chicks, I too am ashamed of our President. As to Iraq, I opposed the war going in, and I oppose the "stand and bleed" policies of the administration, policies that will, by the way, lead to defeat.
If this be treason, make the most of it.
the president IS an embarrassment to all of the american people. as another blogger refers to him: boy prez.
anybody see nancy pelosi interviewed by bob schieffer? excellent.
model for nonpartisanship that i am, i have to call out the libs (who it seems i'm agreeing with more than ever these days!) on this one.
GWB is not embarrassment to our country.
sure, he's made mistakes in how he has handled himself at times--but what president hasn't? hardline GOPers will throw Clinton back at you.
the reality is, no matter what you think of his policies (and you all know i'm not a particular fan of many of them), GWB is a brilliant politician, and any world leader who calls him an idiot or disrespects him is doing it out of political posturing, unless he or she is an idiot himself.
the aurorans do have a point that bush hatred blinds many liberals and obfuscates the real issues (though i tend to disagree with the aurorans about what issues those are).
where they err is the logical leap from hating the president to being unpatriotic. hating the president is NOT unpatriotic unless you believe the president is an infallible ruler appointed by divine right.
and though some certainly subscribe to that belief, i suspect the aurorans don't fall into that camp.
finally, i'd like to know once and for all: who's the mysterious reader of this blog that is rooting for our country to lose in iraq? a lot of your posts seem to be addressed to him or her, and i haven't seen that view expressed once in the comments.
so, please, give the straw man arguments a rest.
and if you're equating withdrawal with rooting for defeat, you simply don't understand that position.
donsky, i am sorry, but you are wrong. the man is in no way "brilliant." if there has been any "brilliance" about his political manueuvering, it's been a la rove, no idiot to be sure. clinton, was in many ways, "brilliant" (albeit personally flawed) ... but come on, man, you've really disappointed me on this one.
I am not saying hating Bush is unpatriotic nor am I saying opposing the war is either. I am saying rooting for defeat is, and in my opinion some of the statements made here do exactly that.
Why not oppose the war and hope for victory so that we can leave? Few if any on the left take that position. Its not as hard as it seems. Weve overthrew Saddams tyrannical regime, hes been tried and executed, weve installed a democratically elected government, now all we need to do is continue the training and support of the Iraqi military to fend for themselves. Then we leave. If they continue to kill themselves after we exit, that doesnt mean we lost, it just means they are animals and as long as they dont jeopardize the security of the area or our allies..so be it.
You can not deny people want us to lose for political gain and it sickens me. You think Pelosi Kennedy Kerry or Reid would be overjoyed if Al-Sadr and the rest of the terrorists threw up the white flag tommorow and surrendered...theyd be pissed, and you know it.
These are the same people that would have called FDR (if he was GOP)a fucktard and demanded Ikes resignation after the first week of the Battle of the Ardennes.
War is never easy, its just a shame theres so many pussies in this country that are openly rooting for our defeat.
call me naive, but i can't even IMAGINE how anyone would root for one's own country's defeat. if we continue to be mired in this, what happens to our readiness when isreal nukes iran, or korea nukes south korea, or any other crisis that would require major mobilization. this, obviously, is not the entire reason the majority of american people do not want to send more troop, but it's important to consider.
Well Donsky when I tried to simply speak for myself and speak to the accusations he mentioned about his readers, I was accused of thinking Donkey's posts were "about me" when I simply had the same question. Whatever.
I said recently that its more like the comments are directed at a composite of liberals, all lumped together and disregarded.Because he never seems to speak to any issues raised by actual individuals.
I think they are voices in his fucking head.
And somebody buy poor Jane a vibrator a'ready. Damn. Its a fucking belt buckle. Want us to send a picture of Kid Rock to you?
We can leave and lose or stay and lose, in my opinion. If Bush goes ahead with his "surge" plan I hope that it works. I also hope that Halle Berry finally calls me and that I win the lottery.I read a good book recently "How We Lost Iraq." The author is a leftist reporter who went to Iraq, one of the few unembedded reporters. He was surprised to find that most Iraqis supported the Americans. Some were naming children after Bush. This was in 2003. Over the next two years it all changed because of the failure of reconstruction, Abu Ghraib, massive civilian casualties, arrogance and incompetence. The point is that we are occupying a country whose people don't want us there.A majority of Iraqis support attacks on American soldiers.
Bush is not going to pull a rabbit out of the hat on this one.
uh, i think that picture is more than a belt buckle, EB. i think it's donkeyhue's subliminal request for a "3-pack-ab" video next christmas.
ANd as to your point about defeat Donkey, just because you liken it to America hating and rooting for defeat doesnt make it so. I dont see your outrage about the pussies that left Afghanistan. I dont see you calling about the pussies that leave ports and infrastructure vulnerable pussies.
I dont see you over there, either. You're an arrogant dumbass Donkey, who mischaractarized instead of debating. You could find cry foul about a lightbulb getting changed by a Democrat, and in a year I have never even seen you admit that anything done was in hindsight, misguided.
oh shit in deleting curses I messed up my sentence. Oh well it doesnt matter anyway. I could just type blah blah blah blah
If someone could please point out one example of a liberal in a leadership position being against this war and making suggestions to help improve the situation in Iraq that would be very helpful. Its all about how Iraq sucks, its all Bush's fault so lets surrender. If you are not a part of the solution you are the fucking problem.
Oh wait a second, Pelosi and Redi sent Bush a strongly worded letter. What a joke. People have commented that the dems have only been in power for one day? That just shows how ignorant some liberals are. In this country even the minority has some power and are not entitled to a free pass for their inaction. Gimme a fuckin break.
Anita regarding the abs comment....
"No...not six, I said seven. No one's coming up with six. Who works out is six minutes. You won't even get your heart going, not even a mouse on a wheel. Sevens the key number here. Think about it. Seven doors. Seven-Eleven. Seven. Seven little chipmunks twirling on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' of gorgonzola when it's clearly bree time baby. Step into my office...cuz you're fuckin' fired!"
...one last thing Lily Anita and Gary,
Try to at least pretend you love America.
Well in an unprecedented monopoly what did the Republicans get done? What criteria do you use to judge, Donkey? Its all about the pissing contest with you.
They have done nothing about medicare, social security, immigration, trade, outsourcing, energy and little of value on education. They have squandered opportunities for diplomacy, because we dont need allies. Your problem is that you cant stop being a bush apologist long enough to see that criticism is important and valuable. What is so bad about feedback? What is so bad about having dissent? Yet I cant think of any "dissent" you consider to be valid OR valuable.
You have no problem with laughing at people who have concerns about civil rights- but yet you love America "best"? Give me a damn break. ANd it just goes on and on like that.
There are some people who suggest "talks" with other countries. You say thats like a wife talking to a mistress. Some say that perhaps pulling out the military in phases will force the Iraqis to take responsibility for their stability. Force them to rebuild, train, and establish themselves. Thats my position. I dont see a "right here, right now" military solution, dont see the pricetag being manageable, dont see that we are accomplishing what we need to do. I'm not a strategist, but dont think they have made their case for the current course.
Its always that the Dems have no plan for victory. Well they didnt take us there. And whats your man got? The "surge"??
If the US is always there, why SHOULD they put their lives on the line?
Donkey, for all your hot air...if you were in Baghdad, would you be jumping at the chance to become part of security force there?
Would you drive trucks down roads, getting fucking exploded, if you knew an American would do it?
Common sense.
lily are you saying that we haven't criticized the administration about the ports or whatever?
If you go back and look in the archives we've whacked them on the ports, the borders, the meyers nomination, the steel tariffs. Before the war started donkey whacked them on the escalation (i didn't) we've whacked them on a ton of stuff from social issues to the handling of the war against terrorists.
The fact is that openly calling for withdrawal is openly calling for defeat in a war that we CAN'T LOSE unless we surrender. we haven't lost a battle! these people CAN NOT BEAT US MILITARILY, they, like the north vietnamese that the left likes to reference can only beat us if we surrender!
I agree that we can and should change tactics and the fact that we still haven't secured baghdad is ridiculous but that doesn't mean we should surrender.
EB,
Running low on prozac again huh?
Speaking for myself I do love America and I am sure that Lily and Anita do too. We oppose policies that are damaging America, policies that you support. Why do you hate America?
Look at this Baltimore Sun story:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.afghanistan07jan07,0,3288686.story?coll=bal-home-headlines
The short version is Afghanistan is in a critical state, "prompting American commanders here to issue an urgent appeal for a new Marine Corps battalion to reinforce the American positions" and (wait for it):
"a U.S. Army infantry battalion fighting in a critical area of eastern Afghanistan is due to be withdrawn within weeks in order to deploy to Iraq."
But then that's just the liberal media, right?
Oh, and this is mind-boggling, from the same article:
"This could be a pivotal year" for U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, Gen. James T. Conway, commandant of the Marine Corps, said in an interview after a recent series of briefings here...
Conway said U.S. commanders understand that the Afghan war is an "economy of force" operation, a military term for a mission that is given minimal resources because it is a secondary priority, in this case behind Iraq.
Donkey, do you support more troops in Afghanistan?
has anyone else noticed an inconsistency in your definition of this war we are fighting, donkey and rhino, et al?
on the one hand, you define it as a global war against terrorists, of which iraq is one theater of combat.
on the other hand, you claim that withdrawing from iraq is equal to surrendering the war!
which is it, guys?
now if we're agreed that there *is* a global war against terrorists going on, couldn't a "strategic redeployment" serve our long term interests in the war?
just sayin'.
and, anita, i'm sorry to disappoint you, but i sincerely believe GWB (and his team, but don't forget that he put them together) has more masterfully manipulated the american public than any national politician in recent history--and you gotta give him credit for that. (maybe framing my opinion that way will make it seem less objectionable to you.)
i'd also like to address rhino's point about how
we CAN'T LOSE unless we surrender. we haven't lost a battle! these people CAN NOT BEAT US MILITARILY, they, like the north vietnamese that the left likes to reference can only beat us if we surrender!
if you're simply counting bodies, we'll always win. but if you learned anything from vietnam (and you clearly have), you'd know that counting bodies is no way to measure victory!
is it really victory if we're still in iraq in 2015 (or even 2010), after spending trillions of dollars, losing possibly 10,000 american lives, and ending up with a country that can barely govern itself? because that's where we're headed, and if you call that victory, i'd hate to see what defeat looks like.
and lily is my hero today. right on, eb.
Oh so thats your only defense as usual. A personal attack. Nice and classy, Donkeyhue. Well done.
I am in awe of your abilities. Of course you dont ever answer the question.
And Rhino, I think you are bit more critical, or at least from the year I have been here I see that you can at least explain your position or view when asked. Not saying I necessarily agree with you. But I thought your comments were interesting enough to have come here in the first place.
Lily's First Comment on this thread...
I think they are voices in his fucking head.
And somebody buy poor Jane a vibrator a'ready. Damn. Its a fucking belt buckle. Want us to send a picture of Kid Rock to you?
Now thats class!
Lily it wasnt a personal attack I am genuinely concernd for your mental well being. As always you say a whole lot about absolutely nothing. If you werent so pathetically hypocritical it would be amusing but sadly...its just, well...sad.
Donsky, if you ask Donkey what victory "looks like" he wont answer you.
Its a matter of cost, gain, but also lost opportunity. What are we NOT spending this money on? What vulnerabilities are we neglecting?
We talk about the war on terror and yet we did exactly what the jihadists wanted us to do. Destabilize Iraq, increase anti-US sentiment, increase resentment.
I dont get why the costs dont concern people regardless of party. Almost everyone in my family voted for Bush but they dont agree with this insanity. And isnt there something to be said for having a first rate military on the ready in case shit does hit the fan elsewhere? I would think you guys would be in favor of that. Not a military having trouble getting supplies,etc.Debt and more debt.
I know some conservatives that are saying FUCK EVERYONE...get out,put this money into missile defense systems. You wont be able to remove every nutjob that wants weapons, so let the world fend for themselves and keep all our money right here.
When we are broke and other countries own our ports and airplanes and factories, then what?
You think its all about singing kumbaya with love beads, thats all its about.
No donsky, there is no inconsistency. Iraq is the central front of this war. As far as i know we're only fighting there, and in afghanistan so i don't see how surrendering and giving up is helping us win this war.
Also, i'm not just counting bodies, unless you mean counting the MILLIONS of bodies who risked their lives in multiple elections, and the MILLIONS whom we've freed from tyranny, and the MILLIONS who want and need our help to remain free. in that case i am counting bodies.
As i said, it's ridiculous that we don't have a secure baghdad, but that's not a military thing, it's a policy/strategy thing. We could secure baghdad tomorrow if we had the political will. Donkey made the point a while ago that we started rebuilding before we finished the destroying and i think he has a point.
I don't think we'll still be in Iraq in 50 years, but then again we won WWII and lost a whole lot more than 10,000 soldiers and we still have troops in Germany so who knows.
My point is that leaving is surrender, leaving means we don't believe we can win, leaving means that we're pussies and if you know anything about our enemy you know that that's exactly what they're counting on. They're trying to wait us out and if we let them it will embolden them and make things worse for us in the future.
Lily, you're wrong again. Donkey and I have both defined victory here many times. You and Gary continue to ask the same questions that we have repeatedly answered.
So now you want to talk about the money? Ok lets talk about it. We're not broke, in fact we're in great shape economically. We have debt because we're able to have debt! Other governments buy our debt because it's the most secure paper in the world by far. There is NO chance of default! and that's what they're counting on. In fact you could make the case that having all this debt makes us even more secure because the chinese can't afford to see us go under!
Put this money into missile defense? what planet are you living on? didn't you see what happened the last time we tried that? and now the dems are the MAJORITY!
So you want the military to be ready in case the shit hits the fan elsewhere? WHY? the shit hit the fan in Iraq and now you want to quit because it didn't end in 3 weeks with no casualties so what difference would it make if it was somewhere else? We were attacked on our own soil and we couldn't even get all the liberals on board to go to afghanistan!!!!! If Israel bombs iran are you telling me everyone is going to want us to jump to the rescue???
Listen from now on when you comment you should start it with "once upon a time" because i think you're living in a fantasy land.
Now this is getting retarded. Are you people such defeatists that you need some anonymous blogger (me) to define victory for you. That says alot about your ability to have a rational discussion not to mention the fact that both Rhino and myself have written extensively both in posts and in the comments section on exactly what victory means to us.
If your partisan hatred for Bush blinds you, that says more about you then us. I dont know any of you personally but I know your type and you are nothing more than political opportunistic frauds. You are not peaceniks, if it was a Dem in office, we wouldnt be having this discussion....I know it and you know it and perhaps that is why you get so defensive as your "convictions" are weak in nature and easily rattled.
Im sorry if it offends you if I deem some of your questions unworthy of my time or response...but that is exactly what they are....unworthy.
As Rhino has mentioned I had serious reservations about this war and still do, but the issues you bring up here in my comments section are juvenile and ignorantly dangerous. You want "definitions" I want results and leadership that will do more than "talk" to our enemies or write a sternly worded letter.
You mention cost? To that I will quote JFK...
"There are risks and costs to a program of action. But they are far less than the long-range risks and costs of comfortable inaction"
Half of the people can be part right all of the time,
Some of the people can be all right part of the time.
But all the people can't be all right all the time
I think Abraham Lincoln said that.
"I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours,"
I said that.
Bob Dylan (Talking WWIII Blues)
Rhino do you think they aren't emboldened when they see reports of our debt, neglected infrastructure, military supply shortages?
Do you think watching our citizens on tv after Katrina made them shake in their jihadist boots? Yeah, they DO think they can wait it out. And they will. And in the meantime we spend billions. Leaving ourselves spread thin besides. I think we need to worry about our own Democracy. Our own bridges and highways. Is that so terrible?
Rhino, the simple fact that CIVILIANS not our military saved DC on 9/11 is something that makes these fuckers laugh themselves to sleep. Thats doesnt piss you off about your leaders? One of the fuckers even mentioned how we couldnt even scramble our military. Why arent you calling the people that fucked up our defense traitors? No- only Democrats can be traitors, right? Great, we executed Saddam. Where's the YouTube of Number One? Bin Laden? You want to talk about pussies? Go hang the people that attacked us. Then we'll talk about pussies.
Bombing shit and rebuilding it is a huge drain of resources. And I hope you dont really think that Iraq was the primary jihadist recruitment center under Saddam. Do you?
You cant talk about the global war on terror and then destabilize places, while other places remain ripe for recruitment.
Yes, we are still in Germany but we are not still fighting the Nazis. Iraq is a diversion from the war on terror. Our military knows it. General Conway (see my earlier comment)knows it. We are screwing up Afghanistan and we are screwing up Iraq. Bush will probably get his 20,000 troops for Iraq but there is no one outside of the Bush administration who thinks it will make a difference, including George Will and Oliver North, for God's sake.
And do not be too sure that we cannot lose if we stay in Iraq.
lily i don't think debt is a big deal to these people. I think you're giving them too much credit (no pun intended).
Every country has debt. Katrina? are we going to get on that horse again? it was a cluste fuck but it didn't have anything to do with the miliary.
Neglected infrastructure? these people don't have indoor plumbing, do you think they noticed that we have potholes on I95?
You're not making any sense.
Let me make it simple for you.
Losing = Bad
Winning = Good
Debating with Rhino and Donkey=
1. Simplistic slogans
2. Personal attacks
Actually Rhino I think she has a point. They terrorists must think we are weak because of our response to Katrina just as they obviously thought we were strong and ran for the hills because of our response to the tsunami in Indonesia...that makes alot of sense.
Thats the problem with the liberal argument, the inability to differentiate between separate issues. Bush didnt get warrants to wiretap al-qaeda so therefore we must surrender in Iraq.
I was speaking to the point about how we "look" to the terrorists.
I was also speaking to the point about why I dont think Bush is a good leader, irrespective of party, nor do I think he is fit to lead our military who do not deserve his joke authority.
You act like only party loyal drives hatred of Bush, not observable failures.
Anyway I think as far as the debt is concerned, its much too long a discussion but I do think they are aware of our situation. And not all of the people in the middle east shit in a hole in the ground. They do not have their hands on their wealth as they should in Iraq, but they have resources.
About the missile defense, I was not saying that was my view. I ams aying that there are many people on the right who think this strategy is misguided and I gave an example.
rhino, you managed to skirt my question--can withdrawal (or any drastic change in strategy, for that matter) in iraq actually serve our long-term interests in defeating america's enemies?
if iraq is one battle in what is going to be a war with hundreds, just maybe it can.
i know all i'm gonna get from you guys is a knee-jerk response about "emboldening terrorists" and "pussying out," but, seriously--think about it. i'm sure you can think of hypothetical circumstances where it *would* be to our benefit to withdraw.
We could secure baghdad tomorrow if we had the political will.
i think we can all see just who's living in the fantasy land: this statement exemplifies your ignorance of how the iraqi govt works--securing baghdad is impossible because the iraqi govt is beholden to al-sadr, and he doesn't want it secure!
the truth is that we screwed up big time in pushing for elections and forming a coalition govt so soon.
it's not americans who lack the political will to secure iraq, it's the iraqis themselves.
and do you know what the price of an attempt at "securing" baghdad would be? how about outright rebellion and an escalation of violence? ever think about that?
Im gonna tackle that one.
Here's what gets lost in all the shitstorm surrounding Iraq.
If it werent for the constant negativity in the media and the political bickering about this war we'd probably be withdrawing as we speak.
...We have deposed Saddam and his evil regime
...Saddam was tried convicted and punished in a court of Iraqi Law
...We have helped the Iraqis democratically elect a new gov't
...Iraq has a working infrastructure
...And our training of the Iraqi security forces is almost complete
On those terms and speaking strictly in comparison to past wars this war has been a success. The only difference is that total victory as achieved in past tradition warfare is unattainable as the enemy is not defined by a national identity but rather an ideological one and as you could well imagine, its impossible to negotiate a peace treaty with an ideology, nevermind an irrational one.
If this war had been reported as WWII was and half our leaders werent such pussies we would be exiting as we speak with face and able to declare victory. By their own words they admit they are losing. Our work is in fact almost done and I imagine Bush to say something along those lines Wednesday.
Just as wars past, a military presence will be left behind as a complete withdrawal wouldnt be prudent as there are still bad guys to kill, but our daily interference in Iraq affairs is nearing an end. The Iraqis people fate will soon be in their own hands.
That being said, this war is only beginning and leaving Iraq yesterday does not change that.
I will add that in my opinion it is of paramount importance strictly on symbollc rather than tactical terms to refocus the effort on capturing and killing obl. That was a major mistake and too much confidence and autonomy was placed in the hands of local warlords, but mistakes happen and they should be corrected not used as an excuse to quit.
Just as the Tet Offensive was declared a defeat? for American Forces in Vietnam, Im afraid there is nothing at this point that can be done militarily in the media's eyes and some on the left to consider this a win, but that matters naught to me. I never really cared for the small things and as I mentioned before Im more concerned with results not how it will be portrayed by Katie Couric and Matt Lauer.
donsky, i didn't skirt your question. NO i can't see ANY scenario where it would be beneficial to us to surrender. I thought i made that clear.
if Iraq is one battle in what is going to be hundreds it will be BECAUSE we surrendered in Iraq.
Don't discount the emboldening as "knee jerk" just because you don't agree with it. Appeasement doesn't work, it has NEVER worked. Oh and surrender has NEVER worked as a tactic to win a war either.
Once again donsky you're wrong. the iraqi govt. is beholden to us! but they FEAR al sadr and they tolerate him because of OUR TRACK RECORD! You make my argument for me don't you see? Do you think they want instability? do you think they want to bow down to al sadr? THEY DON'T! but if they piss him off and then we leave they're FUCKED and since we RAN from vietnam, and we RAN from somalia, and we deserted the shah of Iran, and we deserted them the last time we were there they don't dare mess with him.
come on donsky you gotta realize the deal here. as my man alonzo harris said "this shit's chess it ain't checkers"
Donkey Kong aint got shit on me!!!
Donkey your disconnect from reality on Iraq is mind boggling.
could it be that belt buckle? it is possible that it is giving off radioactive waves that are slowly, ever so slowly, consuming his few remaining brain cells (i.e., the ones that are not already swimming in an alcohol-based stew of dark brown ale and bad scotch)? perhaps it's that damn buckle that is turning him into an incoherent, spitting, cartoon-like, caricature of his former self?
For all your sake lets hope thats not the case as I still run circles around you nitwits with "half my brain tied behind my back ©" but worse yet I intend to implement a new feature at The Aurora titled ...."Buckle Of The Week"
©Rush Limbuagh
...I dont drink brown ale or scotch...get your facts straight hippie.
So we agree then? Donkey's Package is the new...um...HEADer?
Because all of this other fluff is giving Jane a HEADache.
Can y'all just vote already? Geeez.
Oh...and anita, you know I love you, really I do... but just admit you want to screw Donkey's saddle off and get on with it.
Its OK. We all do.
But the sexual tension in here is pitiful. Really.
i love you too, seejanemom, i really do.
but i think you've got things a little confused. but that's ok, 'cuz hunky husband just keeps making you dizzier and dizzier. NICE. HIGH FIVE.
seriously, though, i do think it's the other way around. the rhino and the donktacular are trolling for conservative babitude on this site. actually, the political commentary is just a ruse. they won't be happy until they find the next coultergeist or ingraham or malkin to get their rocks off.
i do appreciate your sentiments however. hope to continue to see you here.
HEE HEE HEE....oh anita, I *HEART* you SO much.
Trolling for babitude. NEW ONE. Men are so transparent.
Well, I think I will have to let them decide about the babe thing. Conservative--CHECK. Babe--could be...never EVER had a shortage of dates. Ever.
THINKING about posting a photo on my blog...noodling that one...waiting for Hunky Husband's plate to clear a bit ...soon.
But can't you AT LEAST give them points for flirting shamelessly with "women" who might actually be 300lb inmates at The Rock?
Gotta admire a man who can get his...um...you know..jollies (to be decent)from a woman's brain, not just her jugs.
But anita...hey...don't be a tease. They love you for your DIFFERENCE of opinion. And probably MORE.
Most sport I ever had was dating the son of a VERY VERY VERY well known LIBERAL Southern Media mogul. Now THAT was a hoot! I'd blog THAT, but I ain't FONDA getting sued. ;)
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