"Wudhu is the key to prayer as prayer is the key to Paradise. Islam lays extreme stress on cleanliness and Taharat"
For those unfamiliar with Wudhu, it is the required bodily cleansing Moslems must perform every time before they pray. Although it strike me as a tad OCD, you'll get no argument from me against promoting personal hygiene.
However what gets my goat is when I see bastions of higher learning such as the University of Michigan, Dearbornistan installing twenty-five thousand dollar "foot baths" on the taxpayers dime. Now once again, no argument here, doesn't offend me... I'm all for the washing of stinkfeet.
Your stink foot puts a hurt on my nose!
Stink foot! stink foot! I aint lyin,
Can you rinse it off, doyou suppose?
But it vexes me when I hear the bullshit argument from the ACLU and it's ilk that "there’s no intent to promote religion.” Sounds like it to me. Wonder how many holy water fountains are in the halls. This from the same people that wont allow Christmas trees in airports or the singing of Silent Night in school recitals. Seems to me that separation anxiety of church and state only applies to members of the Carpenters Union. Just regurgitate every argument made by the ACLU against Christian symbolism as it applies here. I don't necessarily agree, but if the ACLU were ideologically and intellectually honest with themselves, ok never mind.
Nah, there is no war being waged on Christianity in America.
I honestly have no problem with the actual foot baths in and of themselves. My interpretation of the First Amendment is that all religious expression should be free from government interference or more literally that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" if you will. That includes those I do not agree with.
What bothers me here is the lack of any semblance of consistency on the liberal secularist side of the argument. There can be no denying that they truly hate this Country and are hell bent on destroying with lawyers what our forefathers built with their blood sweat and tears.
What goes up must come down. Spinning wheel got to go round. Talkin 'bout your troubles it's a crying sin. Ride a painted pony let the spinning wheel spin.
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Why do they need a footbath? they're not going to be praying are they?
They are?
like before the football games or something?
Somebody should look into this!
I say let the Muslims pay for their own footbaths.
in this case i would say Footbaths for Everyone !!! And while you're at it, pedicures as well (there's nothing nicer than pink or red toes in the summertime, even, i presume, on donkeys and rhinos).
but hey, even better would be Foot Reflexology for everyone.
why not?
I don't know. I have some ugly feet and i don't think i should draw too much attention to them, but if i was at that school you better believe i'd be dipping my feet in that footbath!
i agree completely that the footbaths should be paid for with private money, and the ACLU is just plain wrong.
but do not assume the ACLU speaks for so-called "secularists," such as myself. and do not forget that we have a secular government in this country.
there is no war against christians in this country--to argue such is to confuse aggressor and victim.
it is the christians who constantly seek to inject *their* faith into public life.
*they* put christmas trees in airports, and then mock and send threats to a rabbi who objects using public funds for an exclusively christian display (the rabbi wanted an inclusive display, and the response of the airport facilities manager was that he'd rather not have any display than one that was inclusive of other faiths).
*they* angrily shout "merry christmas" at any retail clerk who dare "oppress" them by saying, "happy holidays."
*they* put silent night onto a public school recital program and act victimized when nonbelievers and religious minorities object. what's wrong with "jingle bells," "frosty the snowman," or any number of other carols without strong religious references?
well, i'll tell you: they don't push jesus to the front. they can never accomplish what the religious right wants, and that is primacy of christianity over all other beliefs in this country.
and *that* is unamerican.
it is the theocrats, not the skeptics, who seek to destroy this country.
Wrong.
No donsky, you're wrong again.
TRADITIONALLY we have always had the christmas tree's and the silent nights. We have always had the ten commandments and the "merry christmas"
Later on, as the other faiths wanted to be included they were! Now we have the christmas tree AND the menorah (sp?) It's the likes of the aclu who don't want the INCLUSION but the EXCLUSION of the christian faith. they don't speak for you, but they do speak, and very loudly too. So YOU may not be at war, but they certainly are.
You see the christians aren't on the attack, they're on the defensive!
More importantly this post reminded me of something funny.
I want all of you who watched The Larry Sanders Show to picture "Hey Now" Hank Kingsley singing the last lines of this post.
I crack myself up.
no, rhino, i'm right again.
when you put religious symbols on public property--be they the ten commandments or statues of vishnu and krishna--you are the one on the offensive.
religious symbols simply do not belong on public property.
but did you even read my post? no one is going around demanding the removal of christmas trees! the oft-cited seattle/tacoma airport story (which donkey references in his post) is a story of anti-semitism and christians' intolerance for others.
there aren't any atheist activists going around demanding stores say "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas"--the stores (including such leftist corporations as macy's and wal-mart) are voluntarily putting up the "happy holidays" signs! why? because they recognize that not all of their customers are christians, so they choose to be inclusive (hey, it's good for business). it's the christians who have the problem with it! they're the ones being intolerant!
christian religious leaders are endorsing and badmouthing presidential candidates for the first time in recent history! (something they should lose their tax-exempt status for, but that's another issue we can save for another day.)
christians have passed amendments to numerous state constitutions in order to institutionalize discrimination against homosexuals--and yet *they* are the ones being attacked?
give me a break!
the asshole who died recently (and not soon enough), jerry falwell, set out to "christianize" politics and turn christians into a large, powerful voting block. he succeeded to a large degree. the so-called "war on christmas" and other lies perpetrated by the religious right is an extension of falwell's decades-long offensive.
if you can't understand just who is pushing their agenda on whom, you are very, very confused.
Wrong again.
Wrong again is right.
I read your post and didn't specifically address the airport deal because it doesn't matter.
You ignored my point completely.
TRADITIONALLY we had all of those things in the public square!
It was never a problem. Are you so offended by silent night that you need to go to court to have it stopped? Don't you see that this is whats wrong with this country?
The founding fathers put the ten commandments on their government buildings!
The founding fathers started the tradition of swearing in the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES with a BIBLE!
The founding fathers started every session of congress with a prayer and this tradition still stands today!
"I crack myself up."
and that's news?
"no one is going around demanding the removal of christmas trees!"
Thats a bold faced lie
Happens every year, same as the call for the removal of crosses at War Memorials every, well , Memorial Day.
Perhaps I trivialized the point by referencing the airport incident as that was more of a case of some rabble rousing jew as opposed to the systematic attack on Christianity by the ACLU.
Regarding what some store clerk at a private company says to me, well truth be told if I had my druthers they wouldnt say anything, for I generally try to avoid conversing with the help.
But more importantly....
...prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Removing religious imagery and symbloism that have been prevalent since our inception from the public square is in direct violation of the Constitution. In fact your claim that it is the Christians that are the oppressors implies and confirms that we are a Christian Nation with a Judeo Christinan history.
If a tree or a menorrah or a crescent offends you, tough shit. Get over it.
When is enough enough for you fuckos? When does it end? Will you be happy when the faithful are cowering in their basements with the 10 Commandments and crucifixes wrapped in blankets.What is the end game?
You tell me, how does the USA look in your perfect world?
Cuz my bet is it is the exact opposite of how we looked on our rise to greatness.
For the record just because I believe the western and eastern for that matter idea of God is a hoax, does not mean that I do not agree with the concept of it and certainly I would never dare dream of persecuting those that dont share my views which is exactly what the ACLU types are trying to do.
...and another thing
Commie!
first, presidents being sworn in with a bible is *optional* and not enshrined anywhere. god is not mentioned in the presidential oath.
second, it's clear that you've bought into the false history of a "christian nation" perpetuated by the religious right. i have neither the time nor the energy to cite the numerous examples of how our country is a *secular* nation by tradition, but it should be noted that god is not mentioned once in the *entire* constitution.
third, the ACLU has fought for religious symbols be included in arlington national cemetary in addition to the crosses already there. no one is saying that grave markers shouldn't denote the beliefs of the corpse therein.
what the ACLU fights against is religious symbols on public property that don't serve as grave markers.
and your comments, donkey, betray a fundamental misunderstanding of so-called secularism. we don't want all mentions of god(s) removed from public discourse. we don't want to stop anyone from worshipping.
what we want is a government that endorses *no* specific religion, thus allowing *all* believers and nonbelievers to express their views in the public sphere.
if christians want that, too, why are they so insistent upon persecuting, ostracizing, and committing acts of violence against nonbelievers?
when has an atheist ever used violence against a religious person to promote secularism?
the fact is that atheists are the most persecuted minority in this country. atheists, even more than homosexuals, are forced into the closet because of bigotry on the part of their families and their employers.
when is enough enough for YOU wackos? when jesus is on the one dollar bill and pat robertson is our ambassador to the UN? when all religious minorities and skeptics have to home school their children to prevent them from being indoctrinated by bible-thumping fundamentalists?
how many atheists have to be driven from their homes before you see who the attackers are?
and i think you know i'm about as far from a communist as one can get.
christofascist!
oh, and i'm going to be at shea tonight, donkey. you?
Maybe you are knocked up, feet have been known to swell during the later months of pregnancy.
god is not a hoax. a "personal" god is, in my opinion, a massive hoax. but "god" is not. people who deny the existence of a "god" are just plain stuck in an intellectual box from which they cannot extricate themselves. sorry dnsky. i agree with you 92.785 percent of the time. but on this i cannot agree.
anita--i just believe in one less god than you.
i assume you don't believe in vishnu, xenu, and ra.
skepticism has a long and distinguished history which i don't need to go over here.
i suggest you do some reading on about.com on atheism and agnosticism.
i contend that it is believers who are stuck in a box--and, unfortunately, it's not one i'd call intellectual.
yeah. what rodrigo said.
anyway, richard dawkins might disagree with the following, but so be it:
"everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe -- a spirit vastly superior to that of man ... in this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."
and
"it is very difficult to elucidate this [cosmic religious] feeling to anyone who is entirely without it ... the religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no god conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it .. in my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it."
Albert Einstein
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