Obviously not.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?
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Wow! Perhaps the best argument Ive heard yet. Im going to memorize it verbatim and steal it.
As Ive said before this has nothing to do with the enviroment but rather a clever ruse by the socialist neo-agrarian luddites to destroy business and industry.
The scientific consensus is not necessarily correct but then neither is the minority view.
now that i live in the country (near woodstock - kewl !!!), does that mean i am a socialist neo-agrarian luddite? or the same ole luddite i was before. or ... who am i kidding, i'm not a luddite and never was!!!
or, am i piltdown woman? waiting for my piltdown man?
Gary, your whole argument for global warming is that a majority of scientists agree. This article shows that some pretty prominent scientists not only disagree but say it's IMPOSSIBLE!
So why would we spend trillions of dollars and leave people in poverty all around the world for a theory that is at the very least highly questionable and more likely just complete bullshit?
How do you come that that conclusion? Over 90% of the scientists in the field of climate studies are at least 90% sure that human activity is causing global warming. How is that "highly questionable and more likely just complete bullshit"? I have conceded the theoretical possibility that the majority is wrong. How can you possibly be so sure the minority is right?
the scientific revolution argument advanced by the minority of scientists who remain skeptical that human activity has accelerated global warming misinterpret's kuhn's thesis--kuhn doesn't say that we should ignore all current knowledge because it will eventually overturned.
furthermore, ball takes a very different tact than most in analyzing global climate change because he focuses on shorter weather cycles. taking his argument to its absurd extreme, one could argue that global warming happens once every year and is followed by an annual period of global cooling.
or, as we normally say, seasons change.
insinuating that the current scientific consensus is the result of some sort of conspiracy only detracts from his credibility.
First of all gary the 90% numbers are not true.
Donsky, you're wrong. He goes all the way back to the end of the "little ice age" and states that in general the earth has been warming since then. He looks at the shorter trends to point out how ridiculous the alarmists sound. He clearly states in the article that there was a consensus in the 70's that global cooling would be he end of us and now it's global warming! it's not Ball that takes the short view, it's the global warming alarmists who were preceded by the short thinking global cooling alarmists.
His overall view is simply that the earth has been warming since the last ice age and this is normal.
Seems like common sense to me.
Whether something seems like common sense has little or nothing to do with the scientific method. The 90% number is actually conservative.
I have long believed that on complex scientific matters the best a layman or a policy maker can do is to go with the majority consensus view as being "more likely" than the alternative.The President, for example, should be guided by the views of the National Academy of Science. The Prime Minister by the Royal Society. Both of which support manmade global warming.
Well gary, i couldn't disagree more.
I believe in thinking for myself. So if the majority of scientists said you were an idiot, i would do my own research, listen to both sides, and form my own opinion of which one makes more sense. In your case i have done so and i have concluded that you are indeed an idiot but it's just coincidence that it's also the majority opinion.
(just kidding buddy. i actually think donsky is an idiot but i was responding to you so i threw you in there)
the majority is sometimes wrong, and more importantly, in every industry the "follow the herd" mentality is the most common.
As i've said here many times before, the majority of scientists once thought the earth was flat and that the sun rotated around us. Good thing chris columbus didn't buy that bullshit or we wouldn't have been able to kill all those injun savages!
Actually the majority of scientists have never thought that the earth was flat. That's a myth. Scientists have known since there were scientists that the earth was a sphere. The Greeks knew it. All educated people at the time of Columbus knew it.
And your statement is misleading as well. You make that stamement to insinuate that noone ever believed that the earth was flat, and quite the contrary. While it is true that at the time of Columbus most did not think it was flat they were not certain it was round either and there were conflicting opinions as to the actual shape, flat being one of them.
However its a fact that earlier scientific interpretation did in fact believe the earth was flat until a "minority" of skeptics proved them wrong.
More importantly 100% of chicks dig me. Now thats a consensus.
http://www.bede.org.uk/flatearth.htm
Well thats a surprise. Gary cites an article with a decidedly anti-Christian bias. I will concur that at the time of Columbus and going back as far as the 1st C. Mosty edumacated folks believed the earth was round.
However the chronology here is unimportant as the fact remains that a flat earth (besides being a Thomas Dolby album) was a widely held belief at one point up until the "skeptics" proved that wrong.
"Belief in a flat Earth is found in mankind's oldest writings. In early Mesopotamian thought, the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean, and this forms the premise for early Greek maps like those of Anaximander and Hecataeus."
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Flat_Earth
Here's some more shocking FACTS for you guys.
The IPCC Summary for Policymakers, roughly 20 pages long, is primarily the work of political appointees, not of scientists, according to Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric science at MIT.
The full text will not be available for another three months, as two further documents making up the fourth assessment report are scheduled to be released in April and May.
Lindzen specialized in the study of clouds and water vapor for IPCC's third assessment report, which was released in 2001.
He told Cybercast News Service the rules for the fourth assessment report specifically require changes to be made to the body that will bring it into line with the summary statement.
"If you were doing that with a business report, the federal trade commission would be down your throat," Lindzen said.
"These people are openly declaring that they are going to commit scientific misconduct that will be paid for by the United Nations," Harvard University physicist Lubos Motl wrote on his website last week.
"If they find an error in the summary, they won't fix it," Motl said. "Instead, they will 'adjust' the technical report so that it looks consistent."
So in other words, they made up their minds about what the report will say and now they'll make the research fit that conclusion. Liars like algore.
Here we go again.
The world didn't end because some people mistakenly believed that the earth was flat. While you fixate on this issue as a 'lefty anti-capitalism" conspiracy game, there will be consequences resulting from inaction. That makes it pretty essential that we get it right. Just as a war should not be reduced to a partisan bickerfest, neither should this.
You can debate studies but there is no way that the correlation between increased emissions and atmospheric changes can have a natural basis because the change has been too rapid, its unprecedented.
And while you can attribute it to cows and Gore's google jet plane- I think we would not see such a distinct consistent pattern of numbers with the same spike. I would just like to know how you can account for that. Lies?
(Hmm but hippies lack leadership skills, I heard- but they could pull off the biggest mass deception of all time just to stick it to big oil???)
Is every person collecting carbon data a liar, all lying in a coordinated way? Who is coordinating this?
Wait- I think I know. Its Nader.
Who made it a partisan issue? Oh thats right you just did...get over yourself.
Perhaps its bcuz as a socialist neo-agrarian luddite you are getting defensive?
It doesn't appear that Dr. Ball has published any scientific studies on global warming, although he has had a number of articles in the popular press. He or his group have also received money from Exxon. Exxon is entitled to spend its money any way it likes.
i remain confused on the neo-agrarian thing. i thought we moved from an agrarian society a long time ago ... in fact, aren't the aurorans themselves dyed-in-the-wool cosmopolites?
Gary what is your point? Once again you try to attack the messenger when you don't like the message.
The report from the U.N. is bullshit.
Dr. Ball says in the article that he has NOT recieved any money from exxon.
Since you like to do the research please let me know which scientists work for free, which ones are paid by the government, which ones are paid by some environmentalist groups like greenpeace etal.
rhino--how does ball's concession that the earth is indeed warming supersede the rest of his analysis which clearly gives more weight to short-term weather cycles than long-term?
if it does, wouldn't ball be contradicting himself?
as anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of statistics can tell you, cause and effect relationships are very difficult to prove; hence, we rely on a number of measures of correlation to form hypotheses and theories as to cause and effect relationhips.
in the greatest irony, many of the very same people who demand incontrovertible proof for evolution or global warming--thus demonstrating an ignorance as to the intrinsic nature of science--are the same people who believe in the greatest myth ever perpetrated on mankind.
you know what i'm talking about... god.
idiot out.
How do you know that Dr. Ball's opinion isn't bullshit?
Back to God and creationism again huh?
Once again and I will speak only for myself here, but The Aurora are not creationists and are not factoring religious beliefs into this discussion.
...by the way Ive met God, not what you'd expect.
Well idotsky, the difference is that God is not claimed to be science. It is FAITH.
If you or i believe it is a myth thats fine but we can't prove it and neither can those who believe it.
If you said you believe in darwins religion of evolution i would say that's great. more power to ya, but don't tell me it's the truth just because you take it on faith. Show me don't tell me.
finally gary i don't know that dr. balls opinon isn't bullshit. For that matter i don't know dr. ball. What i do know is that opinion doesn't mean shit to me. I want facts. The fact remains that the earth has been warming since the last ice age, not since the first hummer was built.
I believe it was Jonathan Swift who said that you cannot reason someone out of an opinion that they were not reasoned into. So I give up.
oh, look! ball LIED about the history of climate science!
it turns out that scientistsnever believed in global cooling.
oh, look! ball LIED about his credentials!
oh, look! it turns out BALL ISN'T EVEN A CLIMATE SCIENTIST AT ALL!
maybe next time you should do some research before you post this embarassing pseudoscience that only makes you look like an ignoramus.
who's the idiot now, rhinobot?
thank you, thank you! i'll be here all week!
I didnt read your links.
I dont need to.
Im wit ya...The entire anti-agw movement is discredited. He lied on his resume, what kind of man would do such a thing...its inconceivable. Destroy all industry Must Destroy all Industry.
Speaking of Mason I have an old #14 Jersey that doesnt fit as well as it used to....Ill trade you if you finish the FUCKIN AURORA SONG ALREADY.
Now excuse me as I host my weekly Tues Night Karaoke Party....
There was a....
Donsky asked "who's the idiot now?"
Don't get worried donsky, you're still the idiot. Nobody's gonna take that title away from you as long as i'm around. I got your back man!
that's reassuring, rhino.
i'll keep bringing the sound and the fury.
and i'll get you guys that song this weekend.
Thanks donsky. You might be an idiot but you're still the man!
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