Saturday, October 28, 2006
I Cant See Said The Hippie
As I was reflecting back on a recent discussion I had regarding the medias blatant leftist slant and how a fellow blogger explained to me in their feeble defense that it is not, and that CNN for example is "centrist" I was distracted by a multi part program on aforementioned channel titled "Broken Government...How The Right Went Wrong" and Wolf Blitzer accusing Lynne Cheney of being a pornographer, but Im afraid that I dont have any polls or studies to cite what mine eyes saw.
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Your ass is feeble, Ms. Cheney is freakin crazy.
I am not sure if you mean me since you didnt have the cajones to be specific, but what I said is that CENTRIST is a relative term.
If CNN waited for the Bush opinion polls to drop before getting on the anti-war bandwagon, I dont consider that very "left".
If a majority of Americans think the Pres is an asshole and the war is a catastrophe, it seems that these are pretty centrist views.
To you, left is anything but a Dobsonite fuckwitted fundie.
To you, left is anyone that doesnt agree with Donkeyhue.
Just because the left and right both claim that the media is biased does not mean that one of the 2 wings is not correct. they do not cancel each other out and make the media "centrist" no sirree. Study after study has shown that the media is "liberal" if not leftist. There is true and false. I did a column about that. Say you have 2 kids and one steals a cookie. You ask who stole the cookie. They both say they didn't steal the cookie. One of them is lying. It doesn't mean they are both not guilty. As for a majority of people being wrong, the majority of Germans thought Hitler was beautiful indeed. More people in America believe in God than don't, but that don't mean he exists. As for Ms Cheney, she is pretty typical of the liberals I suffer to be around every day of my life in the SF bay area. They are all freakin herb taken, granola crunchin, accupuncture gettin, sperm bank frequentin, lesbian erotica readin, lunatics from the avocado hairy sass crotch jungle. So common they are boring and all cut from the same mold. with nary an original thought in their reptilian, manly girl minds.
It also does not mean that the world is black or white, left or right, and thats it.
The point I have made about CNN is that they have changed as they pander to the polls. When Bush was popular, they were cheerleaders and when they fell, they clearly became "emboldened" in their criticism.
Suddenly Jack Cafferty played the "curmudgeonly critic" and suddenly Anderson Cooper was bringing us "the truth" etc. etc.
I dont recall anybody putting forth the premise that Miss Carnivorous refutes here.
But I dont think that there is broad agreement with what constitutes left and right in America right now.
Donkeyhue sees the left as anyone anti-Bush which I maintain is absurd. More than half of America is anti-Bush right now so thats hardly a left position. A network that bashes Bush is giving the viewers what they think they want, the slant that they think will give them better ratings.
As I said yesterday, its less a question of bias, more an issue of whoring.
meow catfight
Well Lily I was trying to respect your privacy and at the time same time protect you from ridicule as your position was lacking in reason and basic common sense. But since you have outed yourself as the lone sane person left that thinks there is no liberal media bias I will engage you one last time on this subject.
Centrist is NOT a relative term. I realize how you liberals value interpretations more than definitions, but believing your own bullshit does not make it so.
Iraq is a very important issue, perhaps even the most important, but contrary to what your blind hatred of Bush and peacenik pacifism has led you to believe, it is not the only issue, and the anti-war position is by no means monopolized by the left. So then in your interpretive wisdom being centrist means cheerleading for the insurgency and embedding with the bad guys then airing enemy snipers shooting American soldiers? Its one thing to against the war, its another to actively campaign for our failure.
I don’t know if a majority of Americans think the Pres is an asshole, but I do know that a majority of Americans think that CNN is crap as they are consistently at the bottom of the ratings, Angelina Jolie on Larry King aside.
Speaking of ratings. Id be curious to know where you think FOX News slants...left, right, center??? Using your mob rule theory regarding CNN, they would have to be centrist, right? The people have spoken and most favor FOX over CNN. Therefore their views are more popular therefore centrist? Horrible argument Lily.
And you were wrong yesterday too, IT IS A MATTER OF BIAS. Once again I think you are trying to overanalyze and overthink something that is visibly in your face. I would kindly as you to turn your partisanship off and your tv on. The truth is out there, you just have to opne your eyes to see it.
As BG said "I think these people should frankly hang their heads in shame because . . . they made the fourth estate a rather sad, sorry mess."
Miss C, as much as I appreciate your rant, and probaly going to steal "lunatics from the avocado hairy sass crotch jungle"...I should point out that I was talking about Mrs Cheney, you know, the one down with Dick...Cheney
...but you already conceded this point by saying....
I think the idea that anyone is objective and can report facts without an agenda is just naive.
So I dont know why we are even discussing this further, as we both agree there is a liberal media bias.
It's upsetting to me that this debate went on during the weekend when i don't even turn my computer on, but let me throw these 2 cents in.
Is the NY Slimes trying to influence the election AGAIN? You tell me.......
ELECTION WEEK: NYT PHOTO ESSAY PAGE ONE MONDAY; Burials of soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery...
FLASHBACK: NY TIMES 8 Days Before Election Day 2004: 'Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq'...
awwwwww ... poor ms. lynney cheney. 'lies and distortion' she says ... 'let's talk about children's books wolf' ... she can't run away from what she has written. it's been out there for years. to be honest, i'm surprised (well, actually i'm not) the media is just now picking up on this.
if anything, she's a very CONFUSED woman.
oh, and how can you claim that the word "centrist" is not relative? it, of course, depends entirely upon your vantage point. you say EB is a lefty, but as she has pointed out numerous times, many of her blogging associates have questioned her 'liberalness' because she is very often to the right of her far more lefty friends.
you are a very intelligent donkey mr. hue, how can you possibly not understand that.
Then this is another issue where "her" blogging associates are wrong. If someone is 5'6" and puts down 5'8" on their drivers license it doesnt make it so. They are still taller than 5'4" and shorter than the 5'10"
I think that journalists in the MSM attempt to be objective. Mostly though they spinelesslly regurgitate press releases and suck up to government and big business.
People have biases and if there are more liberal than conservative journalists then those biases no doubt influence their coverage to some degree.
So what? What do you think should be done?
anita,
Lynn cheney should be off limits. who cares what she's written in the past? If she went on the show to talk about childrens books then that's what it should be. she's not running for office, she's not making policy! cnn scumbags are biased, and trying to influence the election (as always) and that's one more example of media bias!
wake up!
Gary, i agree that it's natural for the bias to show up, but the problem comes in when they try to influence the outcome of elections.
So i understand there will be some spin one way or the other, but the fact is that the msm doesn't just spin, they choose WHAT and WHEN to run these "stories", and then they pretend they're not biased!
Personaly I dont care that theres a liberal bias. I watch / read / listen to plenty of liberal media (as I said before "keep friends close, keep you enemies...)and that is the reason coupled with my superior intellect and good looks that I very rarely if ever lose a debate to a liberal.
What bothers me is the denial and the false claims of being impartial when its apparent they are not.
Actually Gary there is something I would like to see done. Just as financial analysts are now legally required to disclose ownership or other possible conflicts of interest in companies that they cover, I think journalists should be required to disclose their party affiliation and voting record.
rhinocular, i'm awake most of the time. or some of the time. anyway, i happen to think, under the circumstances, lynne cheney is fair game. she was formerly chairman of the national endowment for the humanities (appointed by ronald reagan) and, given that, she should speak honestly about her writings, particularly since she holds herself up as this paragon morality.
Anita,
FORMERLY chair(woman) of a non policy making organization that gives grants to museums makes her a target?
I hate to be so blunt, but that's just stupid. maybe if she was CURRENTLY chairman of something, or running for something it would be somewhat more reasonable, but she USED TO BE a figurehead at some quasi government institution.
the fact is that it was a sandbag interview by the Clinton News Network. It was a revenge piece for the exposure of that pervert webb. That's it, it's that easy.
Sorry Donkey I get all 3 of those Cheney people mixed up, can't tell the difference between and betwixt em.
Nothing to be sorry bout. I can see how it gets confusing. All three love Bush, but only two love Dick, and only one in that way.
I understand completely where you are coming as you may have noticed that I share some of the same libertarian values as you do, but lets not kid ourselves we contradict American values everyday. Not saying its right, just that its so.
You use some powerful words such as sacred and authoritarian in an attempt to insinuate that I both favor a fascist state or that I dont hold American values dear. Both of which are obviously untrue.
I just feel that its disingenuous and possibly criminally fraudulent for a news anchor reporter editor et al that has voted for one party his/her entire life to give me their opinion on the other without disclosing the conflict of interest. (and by me I mean America, for I can smell a hippie a mile away)
As I mentioned before, it would be similiar to an analyst telling you to sell a stock that he is buying, or buy/hold a stock they are selling. I believe Merrill Lynch and a few other firms got into some deep shite for doing exactly that during the dot.com bust resulting in the new disclosure laws. Going out on a limb, Id have to say the management of my country is as important as my personal investments.
We are forced to reveal personal details constantly that are no less sacred. For example, my criminal past should be noones business but my own yet if I apply for a new job I must disclose all convictions.(None for the record)
I am not attempting to scare liberals (but they should be) but rather hold them accountable and reinstill some journalistic integrity, responsibility, and truthiness.
I dont think thats too much to ask.
It was more wishful thinking than a proposal as I dont think it would be necessary much longer anyways.
The net has created its own self regulating organization via poli bloggers on both sides. I used to go through the times with a highlighter, now I can just go to timeswatch.com.
You are right that monetary gains are different than this, much different, I would even argue meaningless compared with our governmental representation. As you well know, the media is the first entity socialized after the emerging fascist gov't gains control, as I currently argue that the media is the militant wing of the democratic party now.
R and D's...hmm, not a horrible idea. But I see your point, and the executions of journalists in Russia lately may be an argument agaainst my wisful thinking proposal.
...and dont miscontrue, my ire is directed. For the sake of brevity and simplicity its easier to make Dan Rather or such the posterboy of said bias.
How was Fri's show? Next time Ill take you up on that round.
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