Jonathan Alter of Newsweek asks in his article this week "The question, as in all moral issues, is whose life?" And like most pro baby killers he chooses his own, not the life of the unborn. However it's a very revealing question, because he admits that it is a life. Isn't that the crux of the argument?
When is it ok to take a life? Is it ok to take an innocent life for the potential benfit of another life? Whose life is more valuable? Where does it end? If someone is retarded, or handicapped should we experiment on them? I mean if we want to cure Autism, maybe taking the life of autisic children and using their bodies for experiments could help with a cure? Would Alter be in favor of taking that life?
I think we've already gone down the slippery slope of playing God with abortion, i don't think we should go any further.
As Paul Ramsey once said, “the moral history of mankind is more important that it’s medical history.” (copied from A. Williams)
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i agree with donsky.
i also believe that when the use of such highly inflamatory and bizarre rhetoric as the term "baby killers" is brought into play in regard to a subject as thoroughly complex as embryonic stem cell research, the possibility for sane, civilized, adult discussion of the real issues is brought to a absolute screeching halt.
those kinds of word imply that the person on the the other end of the phone is most likely irrational. so why waste the effort of setting up any kind of debate at all. cause it's gonna end up with unnecessary shouting and nothing, absolutely nothing being accomplished.
Well the baby killers was a reference to abortion advocates, specifically partial birth abortion, which is baby killing. So even if you don't believe life begins at the cellular level, if you tell me it's ok to stab a baby in the head as it's being born, i'm telling you you're ok with baby killing.
So basically what i was saying was that Alter sounds like the baby killers. they don't want the baby, they're too selfish or too sick or whatever so they would rather take the life of someone else. Alter admits that it's life, human life, but would rather sacrifice that life for his own selfish purposes.
I am a god. Im not thee God. I dont think.
..and thats right Iceman. I am dangerous.
"specifically partial birth abortion, which is baby killing. So even if you don't believe life begins at the cellular level, if you tell me it's ok to stab a baby in the head as it's being born, i'm telling you you're ok with baby killing."
i think i'm going repeat something i said to your (formerly) wing-ed co-hort, sir gadflism:
"i'm not going to respond to that comment because it is so FRICKIN' ridiculous ..."
but in this case, it's more than ridiculous, it's totally besides the point ... what does partial birth abortion have to do with anything here? please, rhinoplasty, stick to the subject at hand.
you are causing my anxiety level to go sky high.
and that's NOT a good thing.
What does it have to do with it? Well when does life begin, and whose life is more important? that's the point of the post.
Does life begin at the cellular level? Alter says it does but still advocates destroying that life for research.
Maybe you didn't understand the post, or maybe i didn't explain myself properly (probably the latter)
so here's the point, WHOSE LIFE? whose life is more important?
do we get to decide? should we be making that decision? I don't think so, Alter apparently does.
what do you think?
which is exactly my point. your use of the ugly emotion-laden, rhetoric of the pro-life right makes it nearly impossible to have a rational discussion about a very important issue that has relevance to hundreds of thousands of people, born and yet to be born.
i don't claim to have any of the answers, but i also stay away from people who paint the arguments they cannot make for themselves bright red so that people will SEE them rather than listen to them and discover that they know not of what they speak.
Well i do know of what i speak.
I'll say it again for you, try not to get emotional this time.
According to his own words, Alter believes these stem cells are human life, he also is in favor of destroying said human life for research that might someday cure a disease that he suffers from.
Where do we draw the line? Roe v Wade was originally the first tri-mester, but now we kill babies in the birth canal!
stem cells are life, maybe we don't think this is a big deal right now, maybe this is acceptable, but what about 30 years from now when we're taking homeless people off the streets and harvesting thier organs? or when we kill retarded children to do research on their brains?
Can't happen? Noone would ever do something like that? 30 years ago that's what the supporters of Roe would have said when you talked about partial birth abortion.
Whose Life?
This is one of those lose lose arguments, but Anita I find your objection to Rhino's terminology very telling. NARAL, Planned Parenthood et all have done a bang up PR job of substituting the word abortion for choice or right to privacy but lets not kid ourselves and call abortion what it is...the killing of the unborn child.
And that is why the argument is unwinnable. The pro-choice side refuses to argue on the merits of this simple horrific scientific fact, but rather on the misgotten Constitutional right to privacy.
and one last thing...
The baby bears will lose
LETS GO METS!!!
Good stuff...I'm against abortion unless I got the bitch pregnant.
Comment on that Anita...don't compare a sub par actresses diminishing looks to stem cell research. We both know that sub par actresses looks are the much more important issue that must be addressed.
Donsky, you are delusional however amusing. Carlos Zambrano will be engulfed by the spirit of Victor Zambrano (I can't prove that he is dead but his ghost haunts La Shea). Carlos with said infestation, will start off by hitting the first three batters and walking the next ten. The first official at bat should happen around the midnight hour. Mets 523 Cubs 2 (I threw you a frickin' bone with those two runs).
PS - I also predict a two hour rain delay after the first 13 batters come up for the Mets...a black cat will race out in front of the Cubs dugout, stopping briefly to scratch out Dusty Baker's eyes thus sparing him further retinal damage (from watching the Cubs play)...and Todd Walker will commit suicide by falling on a ground ball with his temple (which will be the best play he has made in the field all season).
Donsky you speak for anita?
The point of the post was that Alter said the cells were life but would destroy them anyway.
So donsky when is it life? in your opinion i mean?
And I would I agree with you that a clump of cells is in fact not a child. A living entity but once again I agree not a child, but certainly alive.
It gets a little trickier when "it" grows fingers and toes two ears and a nose. Pro-choice is unwilling to hear that argument or grasp the reality of human biology 101.
Its not an issue that resonates strongly with me, but as a start I dont think it would be the worst idea to stop killing anything that kicks (besides the French soccer team that is)
Planned Parenthood (proven to be a commie org)and their ilk could care less one way or another. They want abortion on demand up until the date of delivery and individiual rights be damned I feel we are worse off as a society because of it. Abortion should not be used as a contraception.
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