Where is the probe into the price manipulation of gold? titanium? silver? copper? All are trading at historic highs as well, but the big frickin crybaby American consumer wants his Constitutional right to cheap fuel for their Hummer H3 protected. Heres an idea jackasses...buy more fuel efficient vehicles, cut down on your uneccesarry trips to the 7-11 for your grape Slurpee or shut the F up already. You didntnt hear ODB (pouring the Fo O for ya Dirt McGirt) bitching bout the cost of his gold fronts.I walk to work and I get 40 mpg and 10 bucks of el premo 93 gets me to Foxwoods on my bike. So y'all can bite my crank!EE-Aw!!!
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Here's a great idea, lets investigate any industry that is successful!
Bush is so pussillient it's sickening.
I am afraid that even Dagny Taggart is ready to give up.
Well Donkey isn't it true that gold etc. trades high when the inflated dollar weakens? The barrel does too.
On a certain level I agree with you here, partly. I agree that the CONSUMER must change vs. expecting the government to punish big oil for the American decision to overconsume. I hear you there.
But the use of oil has a destructive element, a cost to society not captured in inputs-price-demand relationships. When they have an environmental impact, for example, they should be reimbursing society. Thats different than saying they should be punished for making money.
We allowed ourselves to be beholden to oil and the whims of the controllers. What did we expect?
Its strange to me to see people cry about gas. Gas is becoming an increasingly limited resource and the price will only continue to go up no matter what president is in office, no matter what people do. The key is to decrease consumption, not increase supply. Increasing supply does not specifically benefit America, a point lost to people that drone about ANWR which would benefit Japan.
Dagny Taggart was my role model.
which may seem inconsistent, but there is method to my madness ...
Yes lily, decrease consumption is fine, but until the technology for that is commercailly viable an increase in supply would be good.
ANWR would help everyone
Dagny is hot.
why ANWR? that is the shortest-term solution there is ...
But they arent talking about punishing them for "destroying" the enviroment (whatever the hell that means) This is strictly about the billions they made in profits and the $3/4 per gallon people pay at the pump, not the TRILLIONS they pay in taxes, or the BILLIONS they put back into the economy AND the enviroment.
Weve become a country of spoiled and entitled crybabies.
Dagny is your role model? Whats your method? The George Costanza method?
Dominique Francon always struck me as being hotter, and more adept in the sack.
Rhino as you know the technology is available but the consumer is not going to demand it and the market will not find it profitable to provide it as long as we do anything and everything to focus on supply versus consumption.
Why would you rather do ANYTHING, even destructive things, over raising CAFE standards? Doesn't everyone win from that? Doesn't everyone benefit? Raising these standards just slightly translates into far more than what ANWR can deliver to ease the problem.
You and I would never agree on ANWR because you do not see a value in pristine wilderness, just the potential for drilling. Just as the yuppie fucktard sees no value in driving a smaller vehicle, its all about self centered value-devoid thinking. We know that people cannot debate on values. Its subjective.
Yet you have no problem destroying "pristine wilderness" for the land your home is on, the office you work at, the mall you shop at, or the roads you drive on. Once again your side is blinded by hate, and granted the oil industry is easy to hate, but ANWR has nothing to do with saving the Caribu, expanding an area that already accounts for 25% of our domestic oil production just makes sense.
Ill join the legitimize fucktard campaign...great word
I will argue the CAFE thing when you tell me what it is.
In the mean time, nobody was forced to switch from horses to cars. Someone made it easier, cheaper, and more efficient to do so. If we make oil more expensive to force everyone to change that doesn't help. It just makes everything more expensive, which certainly isn't a problem for the "yuppie fucktards" who drive SUV's like myself, but it might be a problem for the smelly hippies who don't work, and the poor people who can't afford a car, but will pay more just to ride the bus to a low paying job that "Americans won't do."
I see value in pristine wilderness, but for me it's a matter of cost benefit. What difference does it make? no one lives there, no one vacations there, no one gives a shit except that they don't want the snow disturbed. Why not drill in a small part of a vast uninhabitable wilderness if it will eventually decrease our dependence on foriegn sources of oil?
It's a snowy version of the desert.
you can say that again donkey,
oh, you did already. well never mind then
Dagny is more accomplished.
Dagny is more accomplished, and hotter and more of a whore. So she's your role model huh, what are you doing tonight?
shut up ...
Ok
Feminists who are sympathetic with the themes of Rand's literary work will say that Rand has indeed created at least one female character on a par with any folk hero or medieval knight in the name of Dagny Taggart, the force behind Taggart Transcontinental Railroad. Gladstein (1984) describes Dagny as "that rarity in American fiction - a heroine who not only survives, but prevails."
big picture, rhinoculous, big picture ...
repeat after me ... anita was talking big picture ...
ok, you don't have to beat me up, i'll bring my camera. What time?
WARNING!!!
Line Crossing Ahead
I dig broads that prevail by getting the snot banged out of them in the subway tunnels.
Dagny Juel-Przybyszewska? Edward Munch's muse? I don't understand how or why that was born from this discussion but okay...
I think it actually is a desert. Frozen tundra is where there is little or no plant life & little precipitation. Technically, I think many parts of Alaska are considered desert regions because of this and the simple fact that they are uninhabitable. Regardless, people lived in Texas and no one had a problem drilling for oil there so why is this any different. Only the people & their opinions have changed not the circumstances.
rhino, i wasn't beating you up ... you are overly sensitive in that regard.
el guapo, you take things far, FAR too literally. your small mindedness is contrary to your 'jesuit training'
oh, and i have a camera, not to worry. with a timer.
Sexuality is "small mindedness"? I feel sorry for you that you feel that way. Could I have phrased it better? Perhaps, but I dont exactly recall that scene being about scented candles and rose petals. It was what it was.
Flys the Jesuit. Im the dropout. Rhino is the Mexican.
atlas shrugged and the fountain head are both novels. novels are complex fictional entities. as are the characters and their interactions. the 'sexuality' depicted in them can be taken literally, yes. but one can take both as representating rand's overall conception of the roles of men and women in society. and in particular, the the strange disconnect between her objectivist philosophy and the manner in which she protrays the protagonists in her novels.
although, my sense is this discussion is over your collective heads. so i'll let your minds wander as you see fit.
Anita, don't be bigshot. Yeah we're not that smart, or educated, or intelligent, but but...... what was my point again?
oh yeah, your camera has a timer? good, that will help.
Your sense may be correct, but I find discussions about her philosophy or intended meaning to be boring and wasteful of breath. What she meant, or you interpreted, or the next guy/gal did is irrelevant to the other.
Ill will however add
...notice how the main male heroes were Irish? Galt(Gaul),Roark, Reardan, Donkeyhue. Ayn Rand would have dug me and thats all I have to say about that.
Not that you ever actually listen to my rants but I have blamed suburbia for degradation all along, the idea of clearcutting land to put houses and roads just so people can be as far away from their jobs as possible. All are to blame, sprawl. Thats why I read Donsky because he understands the impact of planning and sprawl and I often agree with him. Its not a hippie matter.It is something all sides should get involved in.
I don't live the lifestyle you describe Donkey and I work most days out of a home office. My property is all trees and I am not an apologist for consumptive selfish greedy people that cry about ANWR but have suburbaturf sprayed by Chemlawn everywhere. I am not perfect, but the issue is that CAFE standards would also reduce emissions and greenhouse gasses something not accomplished by simply drilling in new places. More supply does not address pollution! And what does that cost? Oh yeah, Exxon pays people to say thats crap and we should believe them.
We also did not have emerging middle classes in China and India now able to afford cars, etc. Earlier logic worked better when only Americans wanted the American dream.
Did you say something?
el rhino de aurora: i'm not trying to be a big shot. and i'm not saying you're not intelligent or educated. far from it. you're all clearly quite intelligent actually ... that's why i like hanging out here ... it's very challenging.
plus, you're hot. and i dig you.
The Chinese should stop daydreaming and get back to work...I need a new pair of jeans and they are holding up progress. I'll talk to the Indians later as I have been unable to load Windows XP onto my wife's laptop.
of course you do baby!
Lily, where should we live?
if talking to americans on technical support is important to you, here's what i've discovered. if you purchase a computer or anything else from dell as a small business you get get to talk to americans. if not, you're stuck. then again, you can always buy a gateway.
Anita- Not sure how we came to Rand but it relates to the Aurora in that they would probably agree with some of her basic ideas: Communism only transfers private corruption into government corruption. That the individual should be autonomous except in cases where actions harm others. That the government should be limited and only concern itself with the most basic functions and NOT use public bureaucracy to redistribute wealth.
Rand and her group strongly objected to the impacts of money not backed in gold and the excessive power of the banks and Fed to set monetary policy versus the market. They opposed the massive welfare state and the misguided idea to reduce profit motives.
Sounds pretty Donekyhue to me.
oh great, now you're moving with lily after i announce my affection for you? i hate to sound cliche, but you men are all the same.
"moving in" i meant to say ...
Lily,
I think you and I are on the same page on this issue, and I was not specifically targeting you in that comment. My point stands that for most people on both sides of the creek (pronounced crick where Im from)enviromentalism is a matter of not in my backyard convenience, where that is exactly the area where we all can start to make a difference.
Thats why I pay $7 for a beer at a bar instead of buying a six pack for $8. I figure the professional establishments have the infrastructure in place to recycle that I dont. And Im all about streamlining.
Anita,
Not for nothing the Ruskie broad threw some good smut into her writings, not taking away from her message, which was dead on right.
lily, that's where i get confused. i thought it WOULD be very donkeyhue. but instead they brushed me aside ...
Dell is a small business?
Rhino we can live in ANWR and melt the permafrost with our passion. And eat caribou steak.
Later.
no, they give better customer support to small businesses (and, of course big businesses) than individuals.
i'm so misunderstood.
I didnt brush you aside baby. I just took it to the lowest common denominator. Its what I do. Havent you heard, Im the aloof-ive alpha male.
Anita,Lily, don't fight ladies, i'm sure we can work something out.
When i was in highschool i had gym class on monday's wednesdays and B fridays. the other days were art or something. Maybe you two can work on a schedule like that, and i can have weekends to pursue other interests.
yes, i've heard.
sorry rhinoculous ... if i can't have my man on the weekend, then there is something seriously wrong.
Yeah, thats something that kind of galls me about many people I know, the fact that THEIR SUV is justified. Or they want wind power but not near their summer homes. Did you see that South park where the hybrid owners caused a cloud of Smug over Colorado? That joined with Smug from George Clooney and San Francisco?
Anita: These boys do not have the attention span to discuss the role of female sexuality in the individualistic literary genre. In "We The Living" for example, Kira's sexuality is used as currency to highlight commie corruption. But for Aurora, just say Bitch got played because commies suck.
We are not misogynists. In Atlas it was Reardon who got played.
Frickin hilarious episode. I didnt see the award show, but they did a great job of conveyeing his jackassery.
I was discussing that episode at a party when some French dude asked me to translate "smug" I asked him what he thought of the hosts wine selection, he went on to do his french thing and I told him that was smug. He understood. We mocked him. Big laughs.
Yeah, Reardon not only got played, but he turned out to be a real pussillient pussapologist about it when he just let her go to Galt.
But i'll cut him some slack because i think he figured she was a whore anyway, and you can always get another one of those.
We the living. i read that one a long time ago. right after Atlas. and to be honest i don't remember it that well.
How does it end?
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORI-TIE
THE WORD IS PUSILLANIMOUS
reardon .. poor sod.
i just watched clooney in o brother where art thou ... it was pretty hilarious.
donkeyhue, do you put dandy dan's pommade on your dome?
rhino, are you bonafide?
"How does it end?"
the butler did it.
i don't know, am i bonafide?
doesn't appear so ...
i don't know what you're referring to. Am i a bona fide rhino? Well i think i am.
In what regard?
sorry ... i was referring to something in that george clooney movie i mentioned ... that, and the pommade comment. just ignore me.
i get goofy when i'm tired or stressed out.
Movie was ok but not enough Bill Monroe on the soundtrack if you have to know the truth.
and i'm stressed
you biggie let me get the vest
if we have to know the truth?
who are you? louden swain?
wow ... i absolutely agree with you.
ha ha ha ... rhino you are sooo funny.
to be clear: i'm agreeing with the donkey and finding the rhino funny.
Rhino you what your problem is...
You cant hold yer mudd
then he's clearly not bonafide.
yeah that's great man except one thing, i ain't even a freakin indian man that's just some shit i made up in my head man.
Anita that movie was hilarious.
I bet Warlike is bonafide.
Catch up with you tomorrow.
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