I will now let Patrick J Buchanan it from here....
"Though President Bush says democracies do not go to war with one another, would free elections in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Morocco be more or less likely to produce a confrontation with Israel and a demand that the United States get out of the region?
What did the spate of elections in 2005 produce? The Muslim Brotherhood swept 60 percent of the races it contested in Egypt; Hamas won an astonishing victory on the West Bank; Hezbollah and the Amal Militia triumphed in southern Lebanon; the Shia of Ayatollah Sistani and Moqtada al-Sadr emerged as the big winners in Iraq; and Ahmadinejad, who thinks Israel should be wiped off the map, won the presidency of Iran.
Is this kind of "democracy" worth fighting and dying for? And if this is what the Islamic world would do with greater freedom, why not let these folks, as did we, win it for themselves?"
cont'd
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Iraq won't be lost on the ground. Of its 26 million citizens, 80 percent are pro-democracy Shi'a Muslims or Kurds, and only a small fraction of the remaining 20 percent of Sunnis are aiding the insurgency. As we've said before, the President's supplemental National Strategy For Victory In Iraq articulates a winning strategy.
Nevertheless, Iraq can be lost here at home. And if it is lost, it will be at the inducement of our latter-day Eugene McCarthys, Walter Cronkites and Jane Fondas -- Kennedy, Kerry and Clinton(AND PJB AND DONKEY) -- who continue to hack away at our national will through the court of public opinion. Clearly, the Democrats and their Leftmedia trucklings hold a great deal of sway over American public opinion. They are, in this respect, a most effective public relations machine for al-Qa'ida. During the past week alone, the Leftmedia's "death of a thousand cuts" campaign has featured Iraqi reconstruction malfeasance and incompetence, dire pronouncements of civil war and car bombings galore -- all in support of the Demos' unseemly midterm political strategy.
Mark Alexander
So your rebuttal is that Buchanan and I are leftists? Now that doesnt make sense at all you half witted nitwit.
I never said we are losing. Your problem is that you cant see how a conservative can support the war effort yet disagree with the reasoning behind it and the strategy being implemented therefore you can not see clearly at all.
I know you get a hard on for the democrization process but that is not why we are there, great side effect if it works
BUT NOT THE REASON WE ARE THERE
...and as I said many times before, we needed final victory which we didnt achieve before we can rebuild. Did we offer Hitler an out before capturing Berlin or Hirohito a truce before dropping da bomb. Darn tooting we didnt. Well we have in Iraq, and its biting us in the ass.
You frickin commie!
You are anti-socialism in the USA but yet you want us to provide air conditioning, schooling, health care etc to all the little johnny jihads.
You fricking JACKASS!!!
EE-Aw!!!
You sir are a real dumbass.
Anyway, things would be better if you and your mancrush would stop playing hanoi jack and jane.
Is that it?. Thats the best you could do. Maybe you should stick to trolling on the Coalition for a Republican Free America because that weak ass shit may work with those kiddie numskulls but sure dont fly here.
Are you really that impressed that were building hospitals and opening up markets as our men and women continue to be ambushed? Have we ever used such a strategy of rebuilding while still fighting before? For obviously good reasons we havent.
I know you can relate to the bar fight scenario, so let me put it this way. Do you buy the guy a shot before or after you knock him the fuck out? Do you give him your hand to pick him up before or after you kick his teeth in? Exactly.
Fuck these camel bangers...as long as our men and women are still being killed I say they deserve shit.
Carpet bomb the whole frickin country I say and let Alaa Abdelnaby sort em out.
stay down rhino stay down
Who's the poet now?
"During the past week alone, the Leftmedia's "death of a thousand cuts" campaign has featured Iraqi reconstruction malfeasance and incompetence, dire pronouncements of civil war and car bombings galore"
Did you really write that Rhino or did you cut and paste it from some other conservative poetry site!
Just kidding, I know I was removed from the contributors list but since you guys are the only ones who post...who am I supposed to bust on?!
There's an episode of the Simpsons where it's the last day of school. The teacher is going over the last days of WWII and the beel rings. The kids don't move an inch from their seats. He asks them why and this question is returned?
"Who won?"
The teacher immediately replies that we won...and the kids leave the building chanting U-S-A, U-S-A! They are seen dancing in the streets and over turning cars in their celbration of our defining moment.
Success is defined by history books and can't be defined in the present tense...I had a roomate who is now in the army and at the time was a ROTC...he claims we won in Viet Nam because we killed more of them than they did of us...Who knows? Hopefully history books say we won but is that the point. i bet a lot of Iraqis would say we already won this one...and some would say we are losing. Who knows?
first of all fly, if you learn how to read, you'll see i put Mark Alexander at the bottom of that passage.
Secondly, donkey knew i was running to the gym so i didn't have time to respond properly.
Here's the situation for you old gray jackass.
We are not fighting a traditional war, are you saying we should use the same tactics in Iraq and Afghanistan as we did in WWII? Can't you see the difference? Every war is different, every enemy is different. Should we dig trenches like WWI?
You're president has decided this is the best way to prosecute this war, get behind it.
(Opposition to the war was rising to 60 percent, his approval rating had plummeted to 36 percent, his credibility appeared fatally impaired. There seemed a danger that, for three more years, an America at war would be led by a broken president.
But Bush has one advantage over his adversaries. He believes in the war and has the courage of his convictions. Unlike most of the anti-war politicians and demonstrators, he does not go limp when the nightsticking starts. His defiance calls to mind Lincoln's:
"I do the very best I know how – the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what is said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, 10 angels swearing I was right would make no difference. "
From Patrick J. Buchanan December 21, 2005
I wasn't sure what part was the quote as there were no " " quotes around it...but now I know. Either way, who is going to say we won or lost since you obviously think someone will...I think we have already won and agree that democracy is important. But democracy as an oppurtunity has already been given. Do we need to give more...I don't think so and that more than anything else is the reason the war has become unpopular. Not because people are pussilient or even against war but because they fail to see what else it is these people expect us to do "for them"...I wasn't ever against the war and I'm not now...I just don't see what else we can do to help people who won't help themselves. And what reward shall be reaped as far as staying some sort of proverbial course. When can we say that they are a Democratic nation...now? soon? a long time down the road? I am just hard pressed to think that you can expect it to be little America and see that as some sort of attainable realistic goal. I don't even think GW thinks that...I think he thinks that democracy has already happened and that's good enough for me...for now. I guess we can all wait until the history books are written...that's all I was saying.
Well, then we agree to disagree donkey.
Just remember, prior to WWII Japan never had a democracy, in fact they had a society deeply rooted in a caste system. They had a emporer who they believed was a god. I wonder if you and PJB would have been calling it fools gold to try to democratize them?
Thats my point. We had final victory in Japan we had closure. Those crazy Samurai wouldve kept fighting to the last man if we hadnt of.
Win then rebuild democratize makes sense to me.
Fight rebuild fight democratize rebuild again fight rebuild again doesnt.
so what you're saying is that we're not fighting anymore? now we only have carpenters over there?
That's just stupid. We're not fighting a conventional war, we can't fight it in the conventional way.
again, i don't even know why you brought this up again, we argued about it already, no one else is involved, it doesn't matter you won't change you're mind, and i won't change mine. I just wish you would leave the complaining to the libs because we get enough bad mouthing from the ny times, we don't need to hear it at the aurora too.
Not fighting a conventional war? Well our soldier our dying with 'conventional bullets' and 'conventional' bombs jackass.
Im not bad mouthing anybody, I commend our troops for the job their doing I just think that they could be used more effectively.
...dont need to hear it at the aurora? let me remind you
The Aurora
All the rants raves and ramblings by Rhinoceroses Donkeys and Jackasses thats not fit to print.
let me see where have i heard that before "we support the troops, but we're against the war"
and i'm not trying to censor, i'm saying we've been over this already, why do it again?
Point taken.
Its ok to argue the same point on other sites where your bullying tactics work, but when I smack you around like the bald headed longuyislander that you are its enough.
Aint my fault you cant hold your mud.
Now stay down so I can enjoy another beer.
i tell you what donkey, i can argue all night, i'm just waiting for u to say something besides donuts and i kicked your ass.
really, do you have anything else besides that? i would love to hear it. I'm not asking for another buchanan article from townhall buddy, i read his stuff too, i'm just wondering if you have anything else?
No? ok then, let's return to our regular programming. go ahead and cry that i'm bullying you, maybe fly will help you.
Donuts? Are you retarded?
Listen I agree that this is getting us nowhere. Be a good little rhino and write an essay on why you feel American blood is worth democracy in Iraq and have it on my desk first thing in the morning and we will take it from there. Cheating and plagiarism will not be tolerated. Now run along lil rhino
donuts
Silly little donkey, as i said we're back to our regular program. You're really boring me now.
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