Put that knife down
It's that simple.
I hate to be put in the position of defending the Police, considering the beatdowns (admittedly some deserved) Ive received by porkmongers in my life, but especially the NOPD considering how the then inappropriately named Chief Compass created oprahysteria about baby murdering in the wake of Katrina, and how the majority of blues walked off the job resulting in civil unrest and anarchy...However.
Before the Sharptons and the Jacksons and their willing MSM co-conspiratorial race baiting ne'er-do-wells get ahold of this. Lets make one thing perfectly clear.
If he had of put the knife down he wouldnt be dead
Im not here to argue that excessive force was or wasnt used, or the protocols of police procedures, or the merits of tazers vs pepper spray....the fact of the matter remains...
If he had of put the knife down he wouldnt be dead
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I agree donkey. You did deserve those beat downs. I also agree that if he had put the knife down, he wouldn't be dead. Of course sharpton/jackson will not say that, they will make all kinds of accusations, and excuses but the truth is the truth. Personally i would have shot his ass first, and then i would have told him to drop the knife, but thats just me.
The issue here is not the shooting. The issue here is that if the stupid mofo was white they would have tried more methods(other than pepperspray) to subdue him. And thats just the "American way". And Hector they would of shot your mexican ass too. I understand though;because if I was a cop I would shoot whitey first. and try to reason with a threat that looks like me.
BTW:The last time someone pulled a knife on me I kicked the shit out of them.
To quote D.Wayans from the moving picture "Scary Movie", "I see black people". Regardless, I think the police use excessive force all the time and we should look into it...If you have a gun, how are you being threatened by a guy with a knife? It's like when the police killed that fat guy (yeah he was black too) in Cinci because he was high on PCP...Why didn't they just lead him around with a ham sandwich for a half hour until he had to sit down? Why couldn't one of these cops shoot the guy in the foot, once...not a dozen times. Do these cops get trained to use their guns? Can't they aim below the torso? It seems like we make excuses for cops more often than we would for a normal person who shot someone with a knife.
Well said Superfly. Do these cops get any gun training?
It's not that cool going back to the precinct and saying "yeah,I just shot some guy in the knee"
Gun training?
The guys dead right>
...seems like they were good shots to me.
Donkey, save that Belfast provo talk for Croton res. You know it wasn't necessary.
are you guys really this stupid? Are you telling me that you think cops should aim for the foot? why don't they just shoot the knife out of the guys hands while they're at it? the problem is not that the guy was black, it was that he didn't put the knife down!!! And fly the cops in cinci didn't kill that guy!! he had a heart attack because he weighed 600 pounds and he resisted arrest! what the hell is wrong with you? How can a guy with a gun be threatened by a guy with a knife? well lets see, if the guy tries to stab you that's pretty threatening!! idiot! We make excuses for cops who shoot people?? no we don't, they're doing their jobs dumbass!! if someone with a knife tries to stab me and i shoot him i don't need an excuse, it's self defense and that's that! and what if i aim for the guys foot as he's running towards me with a knife and i hit him? what if he's on pcp and it doesn't stop him? then i got stabbed in the neck because i didn't want to kill some shithead on crack? fuck you and fuck the diaz brothers! i'm puting all you mofo's on notice, black white or mexican or whatever, if the police draw their guns and tell you to drop the knife, drop it or you get killed!! if you didn't know that already, then you're too stupid to be alive anyway!
How about when they have to say,"Ooop, I just shot a guy twelve times for taking out a cell phone?"...Even if the guy is guilty of a crime, he does have the right to be tried...If the cops had shot Jeff Reardon the other day for using his index finger to rob a bank in Fla., they would have been wrong even though he obviously committed a crime.
hey fly, what if they don't shoot the guy and it wasn't a cell phone? If you're reaching for your cell phone when the cops say freeze, you're asking to get shot! again, if you're so stupid that you're trying to make a phone call when the cops are telling you not to move, then you got what you deserve!
That's right though, if a paddy or a mick got shot with a rubber bullet while attending a peaceful protest (i.e. Bloody Sunday & very real non-rubber bullets) I would have to cry foul and make some remarks out limeys sucking the Queens junk instead of opening their eyes...why don't we do the same here when police use too much force. And shooting someone with a knife is too much force when you have several other policman around you spraying mace. If the guy was covering his eyes with a towel, why didn't they just take the knife from him then? He couldn't have seen the police at that point, I mean he was covering his face...sounds like he was dangerous?!? Hey, I'm blindfolded with a baseball bat, don't shoot me...I'm trying to break a pinata.
Yeah, if it was you alone, a civilian...but it was more than one cop you JO...why don't you go back a read the article Donk put up...you idiot. It wasn't one cop by himself and the guy was covering his face. Dumb ass...
Im glad you pointed out the obvious Fly. The guy was a criminal, so lets not make this a black white issue. Yeah yeah I know boo hoo hoo the man is holding the brotha man down. This is a criminal / law enforcement issue, and thats my point. This is going to become (and already has at The Aurora) a race issue. Its not.
Its a stupidity issue, if the guy had of put the knife down he wouldnt be dead.
hey fly, i not only read the article, but i saw the video last night! what difference does it make how many cops were there? either way, to subdue him you would have to get close to him! if he's lunging at you with a knife he can kill you with his eyes closed! if you don't believe me, come here and try to take my knife from me! i'll be blindfolded, you grab 6 friends, lets see which one of you wants to risk getting your ass stabbed so you can be careful not to hurt me! even if you bum rush me, i can still get at least one of you, hopefully you because your the dumbest one! Any way you slice it, if the guy had done what he was told he would be alive right now!
Shame on you Fly, dont you dare compare the 13 dead in Derry with some crackhead criminal.
You bleeding hearts always just HAVE to take the side of the criminal/terrorist/enemy. If being a victim gives your life purpose and helps you sleep at night thats your problem, not the worlds.
If he had of put the knife down he wouldnt be dead
Que??
This is about an abuse of power. The 12 cops surrounding him could have kneecapped him. But they chose to "Up" him.
And Rhino, you know Donkey put this article up to get a rise and thats what he got.
What is the difference between some drunk guys in Derry and a crackhead?
In both instances there was an abuse of force by men with power;whether they be british Soldiers(following orders) or Pigs in New Orleans (following jaded procedures).
yes warlike i know why he put the post up, thats what we do here, we like the argument. anyway, the knee cap is a pretty small area, that's why cops are trained to shoot at "center mass" because if you miss someones little tiny knee cap, you might get killed. I don't care about drunk guys in derry, or crack heads in cinci, or new orleans. If the authorities tell you to drop the knife, freeze, step out of the car slowly, etc. you should do what you're told! If you don't, and your ass gets shot that's your fault! if the authorities are abusing their power, tough shit, then don't bring a knife to a gun fight! and don't bring a cell phone either! shut up, and when you get a chance, call your lawyer!
The point of my post wasnt "to get a rise" it was to point out how irrational people are in this country regarding race. If you and Fly had of argued about the level of force used, then my friend we wouldve been able to have an intelligent debate. However BOTH of you took it to the lowest common denominator and made it about his skin color, as I predicted. The FACT remains black or white...
IF HE HAD OF PUT THE KNIFE DOWN HE WOULDNT BE DEAD
Ah, New York.
I guess night sticks are extinct...If you had a knife and six of my friends and me had night sticks you'd be black and blue and wishing you were dead...but you wouldn't be dead, you'd be alive...you guys are wise asses. how can you say trained police (again more than one policman) can't take down one guy with a knife without shooting him?!? This must be the finest police force around...If he was swinging a tire iron wildly blindfolded would it have been okay to shoot him? Even if he had stabbed one of them, that wouldn't have killed him. Last time I checked, the police have to have a potential for fatal implications before they use their GUNS...that's right GUNS. More than one guy unloaded on one guy and he didn't have a gun...he had a knife. It's cut and dry but you have to blindly support cops who make mistakes or you wouldn't be a real man. Regular people make mistakes and so do cops...this was one of those times. I'm not a lefty for thinking that or a commie because I think it...I'm a human being who thinks everyone should have to follow the law...and that includes police. Now tell me how that guy deserved a broom handle up his ass...he had an ass which is dangerous and the cops didn't know how else to handle it sooo...Go ahead. The cops are never wrong in your eyes.
When did I say it was about race?
To quote D.Wayans from the moving picture "Scary Movie", "I see black people".
It's like when the police killed that fat guy (yeah he was black too) in Cinci
...said the Fly
I never said the police killed them because of race...my point was that the polic have standards and they should have to follow these standards and live up to the law they are supposed to be protecting...If you want to infer that race played a part in these deaths that's your roll not mine. In fact, I was in NYC once at a club and saw the police cause a fight to become a riot...the brawl spilled out into the street and a guy got hit by an oncoming car (I don't know if he died but it sure wasn't pretty). There wasn't one black person in the brawling crowd but it was an instance where they made a bad situation worse...the direct opposite of what they are supposed to do...and if you know me which you do...I say "F-da police coming straight from the underground...a young nigga got it bad cause I'm brown & not the other color, so police think; they have the authority to kill a minority. Fuck that shit cause I ain't the one whose a punk mother fucker with a badge and a gun to be beaten on an throwin' in jail...we can go toe to toe in the middle of the cell"
It's not a race thing...it's a general distrust of certain police types who have an inflated image of their own importance...and a possible imbalance mentally that leads them to overreact in the most tame of situations...don't tell me. I've sat in the holding pen and had some stupid mother' f'er who I grew up with scream at me like he owned me and for what...nothing. He was just a bitch who had a small town badge and a gun. I wouldn't care if he wasn't the exception but there are more like him than there are the good guys. Sorry that's just my opinion and if you want to lick the shield...continue below.
yeah fly, you know all the cops in the world that's why you know your friend was the exception. and of course your ass isn't biased being in the cell and all. You're an idiot. the question i have is why didn't the guy drop the knife? if he had dropped the knife he would be alive! you make all kinds of assumptions, but if i lunged at you with my knife and you had a stick i would stab your ass and probably kill you! sure your other six friends would eventually get me, but you would still be dead, or at least bleeding. You take the side of the crack head over the police, that's where you're coming from. Me, i don't have any negative stories with the cops, i've been arrested, i was doing something wrong. i've been cuffed and thrown into the backseat with no warning to watch my head, i deserved it. what did you do? i bet you deserved it! If some punk from highschool was messing with you, good! you shouldn't have put yourself in the position to be abused. you got what you asked for, stop blaming the cops.
Bad Training.........I guarantee you that not one of those cops had been involved in a killing before. Do you know how hard it is to kill someone?
They could have maimed him. Life has no value anymore. There has to be a better way to handle these situations. A trained shooter would have just shot him below the torso. 10+ shots to the body is excessive to me; maybe not to "reformed" Hector and his gang.
Yeah Mastic!!!!!!!!!!!!
warlike, it was probably a situation where the guy made his move, and everyone shot him at about the same time. you can't shoot a guy to maim him. If you're shooting, it's to kill period! obviously i wouldn't want to be in that position, but if i had to protect myself or my fellow officers, i would shoot to kill, not to wound. I think that's exactly what they're trained to do. and once again, it's his own fault. if he had dropped the knife he would be alive. here endeth the lesson.
Of course they carry tasers & mace but I am an idiot because six or seven guys also carrying night sticks can't handle ONE GUY...yeah that's right ONE GUY with a knife. They must be excellent police men and it sounds like it too...No, I don't know all the police in the world. Do you? I grew up around cops...Irish in all, on both sides of my family. You're the idiot if you don't know how they feel about black people...and Mexicans since that concerns you. Don't be a knucklhead Rhino, just because you can't justify why they needed to shoot a guy with a knife...say it again, WHY DIDN'T HE DROP THE KNIFE, WHY DIDN'T HE DROP THE KNIFE? Say it again. Why did they need to shoot him multiple times to get him to drop the knife. Move to Russia or some other police state if you want lawless police running around shooting people because they are either too lazy or too stupid to figure out any other way to get him to drop a knife when they have limitless resources behind them. That's right dumbass call me an idiot again for making multiple points when you can only make one...WHY DIDN'T HE JUST DROP THE KNIFE? I MEAN, ER, WHAT IS HE SOME KIND OF JERK? Obviously he is holding a knife at policemen so he isn't the most razor sharp bullet in a overzealous policeman's barrel. WELL, IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT POLICEMEN TELL YOU THEN YOU SHOULD DIE. This is the most retarded arguement you present. The only way they can stop a crime from being commited obviously must be to shoot the criminal...he was being threatening therefore the police are obviously right...you are a small minded stupid ass who can't seem to comprehend a simple point...Welcome to the US where even criminals have rights...or did you forget that you mumbling f'er. Police cannot just shoot people who don't listen to them. I hope someday you lose your hearing and go senile, then cops shoot you fifty times before you realize you are carrying your pen knife in your hand...That's not what happened here, it's just what I want to happen to you. It's harsh but it might be the only way you'll realize that you are one dumb mother. Peace you sucker phool.
since you asked fly, you are an idiot! Just because your irish family is a bunch of small town back woods racists that also happen to be cops doesn't mean that everyone is. I thought you didn't bring race into this thing? You see you make your comments based on your personal prejudice. Because you're a racist you assume every other white guy is a racist. But you're wrong, and it's you who is small minded. Don't project your bigotry on everyone else! you're a racist idiot, with a racist idiot family. That is why you can only see things one way. If you were harrassed by some small town cops because you're a idiot and got yourself arrested for doing something stupid, don't blame it on the cops who fucked with you! it's your fault that they fucked with you! it's your fault that you got arrested, and it's probably the family full of racist cops that got you out of trouble so don't tell me what you think you know about some cops in new orleans that you've never met. I don't know them, i don't know if race had anything to do with it, i don't know if training had anything to do with it, i don't know if they just panicked, i don't know all the facts, and neither do you! Here's what i do know.
IF HE DROPPED THE KNIFE HE WOULD BE ALIVE.
The criminals have rights, and so do the cops. they have a right to defend themselves from crackhead criminals with knives. they have a duty to protect the public who called them to deal with the crackhead, and they did their job.
And if you think they're lawless and running around shooting people for fun you are probably a crack head too. LOSER
You know that hurted!
You goaded me into making it about race...and you can call my family racists if you want and myself too...I am not going to argue you that with you because you are a nitwit who makes blanket statements. You always have to label everyone. Go back and look who it was shouting idiot first you little bitch. Why don't you go work out at your exclusive gym...then suck off your exclusive trainer you yuppie butt fucker. Make sure you wear your thong because I bet it's his favorite. You stupid cock sucker. You don't know about the situation in this article yet you have been defending the cops like they were your friends...How do you know they were right? You just guess and go with it like an asshole. The facts on the other hand indicate he (the initial shooter) was wrong like the fact that he was reassigned by his own department. But you ignore that and call me a racist. Yeah, I do know racist people (which in your small jackass universe makes me racist) but I don't have to pretend to just because I am a PC bitch ass cum gurgler like you...That's right, go to your fancy boy gym and work out some of the frustrations you are hiding by being such a phony bitch...like pretending to be something you're not...a man. Oh, don't call me an idiot again or a racist or I might cry...okay, muscles?
WOW!!
Do you know what a HASA is????
That's a Pig that can't shoot straight!!!
BTW - You said, "Personally i would have shot his ass first, and then i would have told him to drop the knife, but thats just me."
You are a real man...tough guy. You sound pretty intelligent too...good luck with that...pretty boy.
LETS TRY AND KEEP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS TO A MINIMUM
You jackasses!!!
Hey fly, can you get any more stupid? let's start with who called your family racists.
YOU SAID: "I grew up around cops...Irish in all, on both sides of my family. You're the idiot if you don't know how they feel about black people..."
So you're telling us right there that your family is a bunch of racist cops.
then you say that we don't know what happened but i've been defending the cops. Well yeah, that's true, but you don't know what happened and you're defending the crack head. The one thing we all know is that if the guy had dropped the knife, he would still be alive, so it's his own fault!
And being from a "cop on both sides" family i would think you would know that ANY TIME A COP IS INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING DEATH THEY GET REASSIGNED UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION IS OVER. Usually to a desk job.
also,you say that i goaded you into the race debate, but very early on, before i addressed anything you said, you mentioned the race of the cinci guy! i had nothing to do with it.
And finally, you say i was the first one to start with the idiot thing. here you are 100% correct. I started it, because you're an idiot!
...and Rhinoz you Mexicracka from Longeyeland. You mess with the Irish again Ill hit you so hard you'll forget the Alamo
I see...you butt in when your little girlfriend gets upset...It's okay to call me a racist because I know & I am honest enough to admit being related to racists (& I am sure I am the only one who has family and or friends who are off point on that one...what a joke)...but for me to retaliate by pointing out the obvious is somehow uncouth?!? It wasn't personal...I don't bandy about my physical regimen and place of hero worship. Whatever, I was just playing anyway.
PS - Tell Rhino, he can have his bottle back whenever he wants it.
Y'all need some punani or something. Let's move on. I think we have killed this discussion.
NEXT!!!!!
seriously though...
He shouldve dropped the knife
Im closing this comments section at 4pm EST, so if you have to say your piece...open your pie hole now or forever hold your pisce.
You are either sheltered or a liar Rhino...I am sorry but I can't let this go. You don't have any ignorant or off point friends or family? I am thinking you are a liar. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you appear to be a dope too...I mentioned the race of the Cinci guy because race was brought up Warlike...I didn't ever say nor have i ever said that anything was done over race (religion yes, the Irish & English struggles) but I never once said they killed this guy with the knife because he was black, yellow, red, or in between. Show me where I said they did it because of race...I said they did it because they were either stupid or lazy. They were possibly stupid because they were woefully unprepared for such a situation. Or they were lazy because they had a hundred different ways it could have gone down and they chose the easiest one...there are good cops but I'll bet a dime to a cop's donut that the residents of NO will be safer when these guys turn their guns in...simple as that. Some people shouldn't be police...just like some people should shut there mouth before pronouncing judgement on someone just to win an argument. It would be like me calling you a three dollar queer when I'm not sure how expensive you are...What $4 or more?
Don't close the comment section...I think Rhino will call me an idiot a couple more times while he explains that he is from the land of Utopia where he has never come into contact with a racist (which like I said, in his universe would obviously make him a racist especially if they touched or exchanged pleasantries)...and while vacationing away from Utopia, he simply wears a sign that he is anti racist so don't approach or he will call upon some cops with itchy trigger fingers to settle the score...Seriously let macho man call me an idiot a couple of times more.
Sweet!!!
Randy Savage is an Aurora reader?
Yes, he likes to step into the slim gym.
Superfly, whatever is bothering you-I think you have let it off your chest. Let me defend Rhino in saying that "one of his best friends is black". He was a little out of line with ya, but that's his style-you know that. I really don't want to read an argument about blacks or mexicans by non-blacks or non-mexicans.
You're both right from whatever skewed point of view it is.
1 last thing: "Go @!#$% yourself!!"-the both of YOUS
Hey Warlike, I didn't call him a racist...he called me one. I was only defending myself. He is a big boy and he can take it (sometimes I bet he likes to give it). If I offended you I am (not) sorry since I would have to have feelings to feel.
PS - as for "Go @!#$% yourself!!"
I would if I could but I am not that limber...perhaps I need to get a membership to an exclusive gym.
Are you saying only "blacks" and "mexi browns" should talk about racism in this country? Do they have a monopoly on being victimized by the ill effects of racism?
No I don't but I took a shot!!
hey fly, you're an idiot racist. And i like how you don't respond to the point i made that it was YOU who called your family racists. I agree, your family is a bunch of bigots, and therefore idiots, much like yourself. you have no points to make, you have no knowledge of anything at all, you make blanket assumptions based on your personal feelings and beliefs. we know one fact and one fact only. DROP THE KNIFE STAY ALIVE. so why don't you put down the knife now, you're gonna hurt yourself.
Oh, you have facts that show every member of my family as being racist...you keep saying the same things. I'm bored with you...I only said the policemen in my family were bigoted but since you like to run with things and run away from things (since you totally avoided the question of whether anyone in your family or small friend base was racist which in turn by your peverse logic makes you a racist) I will just call you diluted and leave it at that...go ahead, I keep asking for you to call me a racist which you in turn do, because you are as predictable as you are ignorant of anything having to do with reason. I'm glad life is so clean cut to you..."Your a racist, he's a racist, their racist" but it doesn't really work like that...in fact I bet you are a little prejudiced since in my opinion everyone is...In fact, I remember you making fun of a certain appendage separation I have...What do you think that makes you Rhino? A bigot perhaps? You are a dick who calls people an idiot when you can't cut them down and when that fails you either call them some other name or make fun of them some other way. Either way you lose because you only hear yourself. It's hard for me to imagine a person such as yourself and their shallow private gym going, self depracating, & "I'm better than you" attitude even being able to look in the mirror. But then again you are so perfect and loving (of yourself) that it is probably pretty easy for you. Good luck with that and good night...until next time work on those pecs because last time I saw you, they didn't exist.
somebody separated an appendage? WTF? You guys need to stop wrestling. FINITO.
Trying not to get too personal Warman...Ask Donkey or even Rhino when he comes off his high horse...oh there I go again being racial and everything Rhino since your people domesticated horses and all...just a little slip up...come on call me a racist again.
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