Sometimes it a slows news day, sometimes its out of boredom, and other times its a subject matter thats important to one of us but whatever the reasoning behind it is, the Rhino and I will often go mano a mano like Rocky and Apollo in the game of debate. Were talking serious stuff here.
The score doesn't matter its all about the fight, but if the score did matter its clear that Id be overwhelmingly repeat overwhelmingly ahead and for that matter the scarce victories the Rhino has managed are almost always a result of some bullshit technicality of catching me incorrectly using words. Words? Phooey!
INCONCEIVABLE!!!
I will concede that there is no greater rapist but also lover of the English language than I, however I will go to my grave defending budge as a correct term for line-cutting and the pronunciation of creek as crick.
But, I'm not here to open old wounds or rehash the past, wait... is yesterday the past? Well then I guess I am.
With happy hour still an hour away we decided to kill some time and figure out once and for all who was the greater Seventies Suck Band.... Supertramp or Styx.
While readily conceding that Styx had greater commercial success and their accomplishment of four straight multi-platinum albums and top ten hits in three decades under four Presidential administrations is nothing short of spectacular and even more impressive was their absolutely genius and revolutionary use of the double clap... too much clap clap time on my hands. The likes of which I should mention we did not see again until Johnny Cougar's "Jack and Diane".
The fact remains that they are responsible for Mr. Roboto and for that they can not be forgiven, and points deducted for that travesty give Supertramp a Buster Douglas like upset (and another W for the Donk)
As I said Im not looking to rehash that debate, its over...Supertramp wins.
I am however here to bestow The Aurora's greatest honor on an individual ... The John Candy Award. For those unfamiliar, John Candy was the greatest comedian of our time. He could do it all and if he played baseball would be classified as a five tool player. He could hit for power and average, base run, field and throw. He excelled as a solo performer (Uncle Buck, Who's Harry Crumb?), ensemble player (Stripes, Spaceballs), and the well timed cameo (Gus Polinski of the Kenosha Kickers in Home Alone...very big in Sheboygan)
During the debate many names were thrown around as points and counterpoints but one name stood out among the many and I had the epiphany that he was in fact the John Candy of the proto-pop power ballad sweet sweet science of soul music. Im obviously talking about Michael McDonald whose stellar work with the Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan, as a solo performer, as well as his extensive duet work have earned him The Aurora's highest honor, so congratulations on that... at least he's got that going for him.
But now I gots to thinking...
Greatest Michael McDonald collaboration???
with Kenny Loggins on "This Is It" (make no mistake it about)
with Christopher "Jump Jump" Cross on "Ride Like The Wind" (take it to the corner of Mexico)
or the clear fan favorite...
with Patti LaBelle on "On My Own" (???)
22 comments:
"I keep forgettin'" a duet with his sister I think.
Dude, Styx was king of the rockers and Supertramp was king of the "pot-heads".
I used to kick the shit out of Styx "rockers" on the way to the Molly Hatchet concert at Weedsport Raceway.
Back to the original eminem Michael McDonald... didnt he have a hit with Yo Yo Ma too?
Ok. I wasn't in the office today and i'm sure the donkey knew that when he went all algore on me and declared the "debate is over"!
However, for all the reasons mentioned by the donkey himself, Styx was the clear winner. I will admit that supertramp had more decent sucky songs than i thought, but even when you deduct points for the silliness of mr. roboto you still have to give it to styx.
As to the Michael Mcdonald deal.
No argument. Congrats Mike. You deserve it.
And finally, Lily is right "keep forgetting" was a duet with his sister and it was also one of, if not his best duet ever.
Thanks for stopping by Getlive. Too bad you can't make it for the bachelor party (good job best man) which is gonna suck royally because the groom is such a homo.
But i digress...
You cant go by numbers alone. So what they sold more records, big frickin whoop. Josh Grobin had the number one album last year. Whos Josh Grobin you ask? Exactly! Who the fuck is Josh Grobin, I yahood best selling album and his name popped up.
Dude get the fuck outta here. Dennis DeYoung had a perm. Argument over.
Supertramp WINS!!!
... and gratz on your friends wedding, Im sure he will make a good wife.
Hall and Oates BOTH had perms! as did a couple of members of Journey and about a million other HIT MAKERS. So your hairstyle argument is about as silly as Mr. Roboto.
I'm not going on #'s alone. I'm going on strength of hits.
Best of times
Babe
Too much time on my hands
Renegade
Fooling yourself
come sail away
Put those against
The logical song
Take the long way home
give a little bit
and......? what? Breakfast in America? It's raining again?
No contest.
Reminds me of the time you tried to argue that Phil Collins was better than Billy Joel.
Dont be that guy Rhino.
Hall and Oates? Journey? Hit makers without a doubt but a winning argument they are not.
I almost feel bad for you now.
We had this discussion last week and we both agreed that Supertramp won in a shocking upset but alas pride is a son of a bitch and now for some reason you are making Styx's shame your own.
Well Im here to tell you that its ok to let it go man...
Its not your fault
Its not your fault
Its not your fault
Actually it was Benny Mardones that I said was bettert than Billy Joel.
Into the Night
GO!
No, we didn't agree.
I agreed that Tramp had more hits than i thought. Your factless argument once again betrays your algore leanings.
Your only defense against Styx was a hairstyle that was shared by countless hitmakers of their era.
I gave you the song list and you came back with hyperbole.
I don't blame you, you've painted yourself into a corner the same way you did with Phil Collins and we don't want to rehash that one.
A man's got to know his limitations.
Stay down donkey, stay down.
You can't argue with 4 consecutive multi platinum albums in a row. You just can't. Maybe 1 as a fluke or one time deal, but not 4. Styx rocks Supertramp right out of the arena.
Oh, and you should feel ashamed for kicking the shit out Styx fans, they were always a bit soft.
"Stay down donkey, stay down."
I can only guess that you are quoting Rocky there and also by the sounds of it your were probably one of those guys that thought that Balboa should stay down and that he "couldnt win" versus Drago. You fucking commie.
Ok lets go to the tape...
The name
Styx: faggot: a bundle of sticks [from Old French]
Supertramp: a prostitute, A person regarded as promiscuous.
So on one hand we have a bunch of french faggots and the other a slut and a super one at that
Winner Supertramp
Dome
Styx; Perm
Supertramp: Perm-free
Winner Supertramp
Multi-Platinum Albums
Styx: 4
Supertramp 2
Winner Styx
Hits
Styx: 4
Best of times
Babe
Too much time on my hands
Renegade
Fooling yourself
come sail away
Mr Roboto
(deducting three points, 1 for Mr Roboto the song, 1 for the video, and 1 for the mr roboto dance)
Supertramp: 5
The logical song
Take the long way home
give a little bit
its raining again
dreamer
Blood well right
(deducting 1 point for dreamer)
Winner: Supertramp
Fans
Styx: Soft
Supertramp: Stoned
Winner Supertramp
Now get the fuck outta here, take that fake longisland toughguy routine back to the Hall and Oates concert at Jones Beach cuz it dont fly here.
Benny Mardones RULES!!!
How about:
Home
Styx: USA. Gooooo USA!!
Supertramp: UK.
Winner: STYX
Eucation
Styx: Couple of college grads
Supertramp: dugh, none.
Winner" STYX
Top 10 songs, US
Styx: 8
Superwhore: 2
Winner:STYX
It comes down to this:
If you are a red bloded American, then you think Styx is better. If you're a red coated Brit, you say Superwhore. So, what's it gonna be?
Put it this way. Picture you're on the road in your convertable, whatever you like. You are cranking the sterio and you slow down and pull up to light and in the lane next to you is a hot blonde with her windows down and she looks over. You're telling me you'd rather have "Logical Song" cranking than "Come Sail Away"??? Yur nutz.
oops...stereo?
Home: I almost tend to agree with you here but if I were to use that logic then The Monkees must be a better band than The Kinks, The Beatles, The Who, and The Rolling Stones
Education: Unless they have degrees in Music Theory and History which I doubt they do, then the degree they have isnt worth the paper its written on.
Top 10 Songs: No argument here, Styx has more, but then again The Eagles outsold Led Zeppelin so whats your point?
The bottom line is this, both bands sucked, Supertramp just sucked slightly less but for you to argue that somehow Styx rocked is just downright embarassing.
No, I'm not saying they rocked better than most, I'm just comparing their rockness to Supertramp. I wonder what Tenacious D would say...
The eagles are better than Led Zepplin, but i digress.
We're talking about "suck" bands. In other words, they both kind of suck but had some hits. The only objective way to measure them is by the album sales and the # of hits.
Styx wins in a landslide.
You want subjective? I have to go with getlive's analogy.
Id rather be cranking Mr. Roboto than Dreamer!
Mr. Roboto was silly and farsical, but Dreamer is just downright GAY!
I will readily concede the point that you are the more authoritive figure regarding all things GAY (emphasis your caps)but I think in your haste to over-quantify this debate you are missing the big picture.
Styx was a band that attempted to be rockers and failed. Joe Dirt would not apporve. I will give them Time On My Hands but Renegade just flat out sucked. Their only number one was a Peter Criss rip-off power ballad. Air fuckin' Supply could have have sang Babe and it wouldve been a hit.
Whereas Supertramp attempted and succeeded in their mission to be a piano driven melody based pop band. Were their songs hokey and GAY? Yeah sure, no doubt about it but thats what they were going for and I can respect their integrity in sticking to it, and they were rewarded by selling 18 million copies of Breakfast in America (thats almost double diamond certified -- take that Paradise Theatre)
Therefore I must conclude that they were the lesser of two evils and the less sucky of the Seventies Suck Band Debate.
but....
Seeing that Rhino is a fake white guy and Getlive is a fake figure skating wannabe lacross player it comes as no suprise that the two of you fruitcakes would defend such rock imposters as Styx. Good luck with that, I hear the circus is hiring.
So BITCHES Im leaving, I must be on my way....
I can picture it now....
(in a very underground British accent)"So, mate, what do we do to get bloody famous and get our band, Supertramp, noticed? We need a distinc sound, mate. What about a piano driven, melody based pop band sound? We can sell millions in the US. We'll just drive our piano right up everyone's asses until they can't rock no more! And the melodies, oh the melodies will be unsurpassed."
Wait a minute. Did someone say the Eagles are better than Led Zep?
Watch what you say about piano driven, melody based pop music. You wouldnt want to blaspheme the patron saint of longisland Billy Joel now would you.
Billy is my boy, blue. Now you've hit me where it hurts....
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